Adjusting aim when down on the shot without losing accuracy in alignment

Oikawa

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Hey all, first post here. Thought I'd share an alignment method that I came up with, that lets me adjust my aim when down on the shot without losing accuracy. For all I know, this might be common knowledge, but just deemed useless, due to the typical alignment method (aligning yourself when standing, and dropping straight into the shot, staying there and not adjusting while down) just simply working better for almost everyone.

Disclaimer: I am not a professional, and do not claim to be a great player either. My fargo, if it were to be measured, would probably be somewhere between 600 and 650. Everything I say is meant as just one method, one perspective among many others, in case anyone finds it, or some thoughts within it, helpful.

As a note, this post is not about an aiming system. It doesn't say anything about how to find the right cut angle. Any aiming system, or just pure feel, can be used in conjunction with this method. (In case anyone finds it relevant for anything I say in this post, I don't use an aiming system. I aim with feel, while down on the shot, by focusing on the ball overlaps (OB as where I look at, cue ball in peripheral vision) and allowing my subconscious mind to find the right alignment between those.)

I will first discuss why I find it useful to aim when down on the shot in the first place, and then the method itself.

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1. Why would it even be useful?

It is generally instructed that it is a horrible habit to change your aim deliberately when down on the shot, due to your alignment being then thrown off, such that even if your shot picture looks correct, you'd most likely miss the shot. This makes sense, you have lots of moving parts in your body, and if you carelessly just move some of them around until it either looks or feels right, you will most likely not have a repeatable method.

Now, let's ignore other parts of your stroke that aren't relevant for this discussion (spin, power, elevation, etc.) and only focus on the sideways alignment, e.g. the point on the object ball that you will hit. Assume for a moment that there existed a method that lets you adjust this alignment when down, without hindering your stroke straightness at all, such that your shot image (and therefore your expectation) properly matches with what actually happens when you shoot. You'd obviously still have to know the right cut angle (have the right shot image), and have good fundamentals (straight stroke, etc.).

Even if this all were true, one could still argue that it is less effective to aim when down, due to the perspective of what you see being so different. I can see the merit of this argument, there are shots where I definitely think the shot image is much easier to see when standing up, e.g. blind backcuts to middle pockets, or when you are very close to the object ball. However, there would also be advantages to aiming down, such as:
- You no longer need to drop straight into the line of the shot, and keep that line in order to be effective. This is, in my opinion, the biggest benefit.
- On longer pots, the perspective of being down on the shot, can make it much easier to see what cut angle you are looking at, since the object and cue ball are closer to eachother in your field of vision.
- If you can effectively see the required cut angle (shot image) while down, this makes it faster to align yourself when down instead of aligning when up and having to carefully drop straight into that line.

Even if all of above were true, I'd definitely see arguments either way for whether aiming when up or down being better. There's clearly nothing wrong with aligning yourself the normal way, since almost everyone does it, especially the pros, but I found this method useful, so maybe someone else here will aswell, perhaps if they are struggling to achieve excellent precision with the typical method, which I did, and improved my accuracy by a huge amount after switching to this type of alignment and practicing/improving the method for a while.

2. The method I use

My stance and stroke are similar to the typical snooker player. I have four contact points on the cue (bridge hand, grip hand, chin and chest), and execute a straight piston stroke without any up/down movement, slowly pulling back, pausing for a moment and then going through, keeping everything except the cue arm as still as possible during the stroke. (BTW, I find that keeping the cue on my chin and chest at a constant light pressure at all times during the back and forward stroke helps me a lot to execute a clean piston stroke with close to no effort. When I didn't have my chest on the cue, I couldn't avoid having slight unwanted up/down movement, but this isn't really relevant for this topic, so I'll move on.)

Now, for this alignment method to work, you have to have your cue touching your chin. Having it on your chest might not matter, but for me it definitely helps a lot.

(The actual method description starts here)

Let's think about what you are seeing when you are down on the shot. There's the object ball, the cue ball and the cue stick. For a succesful alignment, the following must be true:
1. The OB/CB overlap must be correct (right cut angle)
2. The tip of your cue must be aligned to the right point on the CB, and at the right elevation (Let's ignore swooping the stick etc, and just assume you can hit the CB wherever you want to address it)
3. The backhand must be aligned (sideways) such that the cue forms a straight line towards the contact point on the OB, or in other words, makes the executed shot match the alignment that you see in your shot image.

1. and 2. are trivial even if you had no idea what you were doing and started adjusting your aim when down, since you can easily see if the overlap is correct, and after that you can just re-align your tip to point at the correct point of the cueball. However, step 3 is the tricky one, If you drop down into the shot normally with a slightly wrong cut angle, do 1. and 2. to fix it the way I just said with no extra thought, you will most likely no longer have the right backhand alignment.

This has an easy fix though. If you keep the cue touching your chin at all times during steps 1. and 2., (always in the same sideways position, e.g. center of the chin or 1-2cm to the left or the right, this depends on your vision center, etc, just find whatever works for you), AND keep your head at the same angle relative to the cue, your backhand will automatically be aligned properly, causing all three requirements for a succesful alignment to be true.

(If you are unsure as to why this is true, you can think of the correct point on your chin as a "fixed point" that always aligns the stick to the same place relative to your shot image, due to your eyes always being at the same place relative to that point in your chin, assuming your head is rotated the same way relative to the cue.)

Let's focus a bit more on the second part, since keeping the cue on your chin on the right spot is pretty trivial, but having your head always be in the same angle is not.

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There are three types of rotation that your neck can do. Out of the three, pitch doesn't affect the sideways position of the correct point on your chin, but roll and yaw do. Using this method, the main cause of missing a shot (due to the method, ignoring bad fundamentals, having the wrong shot image etc.) would be having unwanted roll or yaw in your neck. I personally eliminate these by always stepping into the shot the same way (so it would ideally just not be rotated in the first place), and during my time spent doing feathers and aiming, making sure my head looks (with peripheral vision) and "feels" like it doesn't have any roll or yaw. For me, yaw isn't an issue, but roll can sometimes be, and it's the one to look out for. When you are touching your chin with the cue, you are pretty low with your head, and it can be tricky to keep it perfectly straight in that rotation, but it's possible and with some practice you can eliminate that issue well. To be precise, it doesn't even have to be "straight", it just has to always be the same amount, which you can then compensate for by having the point on your chin be slightly off from your vision center to cancel the effect out.

So, to sum it up, here is my "shot process" summarized for normal pots (no kicks, caroms, combos etc. those can be very different in some parts), I will also include parts that aren't relevant to this method.

1. Shot selection, figure out the shot that you will commit to. This includes tip position, full path of OB and CB, etc.
2. Visualize the shot, and give your subconscious the necessary information, so e.g. if it isn't a trivially easy shot, go briefly stand over the potting line to have a better view of the angle.
3. Chalk the cue, stand behind the shot at the right distance, do a few air strokes.
4. Drop down into the shot (always with the same way, which is not really relevant here so I won't go into it, but I try to make it as similar as repeatable as possible) roughly in the right alignment without any conscious effort spent into alignment, so I'd never be off by multiple centimeters, but millimeters won't matter as I do my proper aiming when I'm down.
5. When down, I will start aiming, I have a certain set of eye patterns/practice strokes that will vary a lot by feeling, since this part of the process is very subconscious. I simply know what I want to happen to the object ball/cue ball, and let my subconscious align my vision to the right spot to make that happen as well as it can. There's lots of mental tricks I use to maximize the subconscious mind's potential here (to stay out of it's way, how to not interfere with it, etc.)
6. Once the practice strokes are done, I trust that my subconscious chose the right aim (shot image). From now on, I focus on everything being perfectly still. Due to the main method discussed in this thread, I know my cue is also aligned properly to allow me to execute the shot, even though I adjusted my aim (shot image) when down.
7. IF something looks or feels wrong, I will stand up, and restart everything. But this is pretty rare, and it is a fine line to be too careful, for me it doesn't help to start analyzing visually if what I see looks correct at this point, since my subconscious knows better than me anyways. I find it better to just trust it if it feels right, and take the occassional miss, instead of paralysing the whole process and getting into my head due to the fear of being incorrect, and trust that the results will improve better like that in the long run.
8. I pause, shift my main focus to everything being perfectly still and start executing the back stroke, looking at the OB but focusing on the image of the cue stick/ball in my peripheral vision.
9. Pause at the back.
10. Smooth stroke keeping everything else still, visually focusing on the OB as a whole, but still also focusing on the image of the cue stick on the peripheral vision. I don't have a "contact point" on the OB that I try to push the cue towards, I find that just focusing on the OB and cue stick as a whole lets my subconscious direct the cue in a straight line more effortlesly.
11. Stay down for a while, observe the shot.
 
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3. Other thoughts

I'm sure this topic will be pretty controversial, since 99%+ of players don't aim when down, and I fully expect for people to find it useless, tell me I should change to aim when standing, and do it like everyone else. It's a tool in your toolbox just like anything else, that might not be for most players, and that isn't suited for every shot even for me, I still use the conventional method for specific shots where it performs better, but this helped my game a lot, and maybe it will help someone else too, even if you aim while standing and drop down straight, perhaps it might help as an extra tool for adjusting aim slightly without having to restart everything. I have good accuracy in long/thin pots when compared to other parts of my game and skill level as a whole (fargo 600-650 ish), the biggest weaknesses (at the moment) being relatively ineffective pattern play, and poor nerves under pressure, which I am working on :)
 
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Impressive first post. What’s your pool background? Why don’t you have a Fargo, and how do you know it’s that high?

I’d be surprised if most good players don’t tweak their aim a bit once down. I know I always have. I frequently use BHE and/or FHE which involves subtle shifting of body position to match the cue delivery line after initial alignment when down.

Seeing the line while standing up then dropping on it gets me ~95% on line, but I expect to fine tune once down. It’s just much easier for me to see exact alignment with my chin on the cue.

I used to fly small planes a lot (hence my username). To me, it’s similar to making a good landing* from a short base to final, or long final: the view and alignment from 1,000 ft agl gets me close, but once I’m 20 ft agl over the numbers there’s still a good amount of fine tuning to be done.

*A good landing is one you walk away from.
 
No offense newb but this is exactly why i posted my poll thread earlier. Might be some info buried in there but its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long. BTW, i did read a little(enough). It may work for you but what you describe is not done by any good player i know of and imo would be a disaster for beginner level play.
 
Wow. So many words.

Here’s what I got from this post:

“Use these four anchor spots: bridge hand, grip hand, chin and chest and maintain them to ensure shot execution.”

Curious that your entire post is about aiming while down yet in your detailed description of how you shoot, you don’t mention making any aim adjustments when down (unless I missed it), especially in your step 5. In fact, you actually do mention that if the shot isn’t right you stand up and restart. So aren’t you really aiming and aligning while standing? To me, your method isn’t for aiming while down. Sounds rather more like aim verification. Can you clarify? (PLEASE be brief!)

Sorry for the harsh response. Don’t let me discourage you from posting. You obviously have passion for the game.
 
Impressive first post. What’s your pool background? Why don’t you have a Fargo, and how do you know it’s that high?

I’d be surprised if most good players don’t tweak their aim a bit once down. I know I always have. I frequently use BHE and/or FHE which involves subtle shifting of body position to match the cue delivery line after initial alignment when down.

Seeing the line while standing up then dropping on it gets me ~95% on line, but I expect to fine tune once down. It’s just much easier for me to see exact alignment with my chin on the cue.

I used to fly small planes a lot (hence my username). To me, it’s similar to making a good landing* from a short base to final, or long final: the view and alignment from 1,000 ft agl gets me close, but once I’m 20 ft agl over the numbers there’s still a good amount of fine tuning to be done.

*A good landing is one you walk away from.
I've played for about 3 years, and had horrible fundamentals for majority of that time, only within the last months finding greater improvement in consistency.

I don't have a fargo due to not playing in any "real tournaments", I mostly practice on my own table and sometimes play with friends or small local tournaments that don't record to fargo. The estimation of 600-650 comes from the Runout Drill System (RDS), in which, in the long run, I end up at level 12 (8-ball runout from BIH, 600-639 fargo), which I only run out roughly 25-30% of the time (on a 9ft diamond with worn cloth and standard diamond pockets), not being enough to consistently advance to level 13. I've also compared my 9-ball B/R percentages to various values I've found online, and 600-650 seems to be the most probable range.

Regarding what you said about most players adjusting slightly when down, this seems to be a controversial topic. Some swear to not even doing tiny microadjustments (which I don't believe, they are just subconscious and most likely you aren't aware of them), but most people say they don't allow any conscious adjustments and try to stay still, focused on the contact point for the entire duration of being down. I haven't heard any pro player ever mention even adjusting their aim when down, maybe some do slightly and I just haven't came across it yet though.

I agree with you on seeing the line better when down, that's one reason I personally prefer doing it my way. It simplifies the whole shot process for me, instead of having to worry about your head, shooting hand, etc. be on that line and dropping into it carefully, I can just drop down somewhat carelessly, and once down focus on what I see, moving my vision until I get the right shot image, then fix the cue ball address position, stay still and just shoot.
 
No offense newb but this is exactly why i posted my poll thread earlier. Might be some info buried in there but its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long. BTW, i did read a little(enough). It may work for you but what you describe is not done by any good player i know of and imo would be a disaster for beginner level play.
I agree with your last sencence, it is definitely something you shouldn't teach a beginner. Merely an alternative tool that might help someone, if they are already at a point where they are aware enough of the correct way of doing things, and if some of those might not be personally suited for them, perhaps some alternatives might offer benefits.
 
Wow. So many words.

Here’s what I got from this post:

“Use these four anchor spots: bridge hand, grip hand, chin and chest and maintain them to ensure shot execution.”

Curious that your entire post is about aiming while down yet in your detailed description of how you shoot, you don’t mention making any aim adjustments when down (unless I missed it), especially in your step 5. In fact, you actually do mention that if the shot isn’t right you stand up and restart. So aren’t you really aiming and aligning while standing? To me, your method isn’t for aiming while down. Sounds rather more like aim verification. Can you clarify? (PLEASE be brief!)

Sorry for the harsh response. Don’t let me discourage you from posting. You obviously have passion for the game.
To sum it up, in step 5 I move my body sideways, moving what I see (shot image) until it looks right. This evaluation is done largely subconsciously, I don't deliberately judge what I see, I just let my subconscious find the right shot image based on memory and experience.

So, super simplified shot process:
1. Stand in roughly right place and drop down roughly straight
2. Adjust my body sideways (As described above) until the shot looks right ---> CB/OB alignment is now correct
3. Re-assess tip position on cue ball with bridge hand without moving rest of my body ---> Whole alignment is now correct
(Due to chin and head being in a fixed position/angle relative to cue, my backhand is automatically aligned even though I adjusted my aim)
4. Shoot the shot, trusting the direction my stick is pointing at
 
To sum it up, in step 5 I move my body sideways, moving what I see (shot image) until it looks right. This evaluation is done largely subconsciously, I don't deliberately judge what I see, I just let my subconscious find the right shot image based on memory and experience.

So, super simplified shot process:
1. Stand in roughly right place and drop down roughly straight
2. Adjust my body sideways (As described above) until the shot looks right ---> CB/OB alignment is now correct
3. Re-assess tip position on cue ball with bridge hand without moving rest of my body ---> Whole alignment is now correct
(Due to chin and head being in a fixed position/angle relative to cue, my backhand is automatically aligned even though I adjusted my aim)
4. Shoot the shot, trusting the direction my stick is pointing at
Still think that all these adj's are better done while upright looking at shot with both eyes. whatever works.
 
I did not read your full descriptions but it sounds like you could describe your method as the
GPS way
get down on shot
let your GPS redirect you (adjust and re adjust your position)
until your GPS says
“you have reached your destination”
SHOOT
am i close?
😂
 
Still think that all these adj's are better done while upright looking at shot with both eyes. whatever works.
Yes, indeed. If I had the ability to always drop down perfectly straight into the shot and keep that exact alignment 99%+ of the time, I'd do the normal way on much more shots. This just works much better for me personally and requires less effort.
 
I did not read your full descriptions but it sounds like you could describe your method as the
GPS way
get down on shot
let your GPS redirect you (adjust and re adjust your position)
until your GPS says
“you have reached your destination”
SHOOT
am i close?
😂
Yes, the GPS only moves sideways. Good analogy. Is this a known method, or did you come up with the analogy now?
 
In a way a lot of us probably do a little of this 're-adjusting' without even knowing it. Small micro moves are one thing, big motions are a whole different proposition
 
I did not read your full descriptions but it sounds like you could describe your method as the
GPS way
get down on shot
let your GPS redirect you (adjust and re adjust your position)
until your GPS says
“you have reached your destination”
SHOOT
am i close?
😂
Just hope your 'GPS' doesn't direct you off a unfinished bridge. ;)
 
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In a way a lot of us probably do a little of this 're-adjusting' without even knowing it. ...
I think no one gets down along exactly the right line initially. I teach small adjustments in place. I teach to do them consciously.

You see a lot of players who do little twitchy things during the shot, like move their bridge mid-stroke or swerve the stick to the outside because they routinely aim too full. Their arm/hand has learned what's needed even though the idiot upstairs is oblivious. I think doing the small adjustments consciously keeps them out of the hands of the hands and promotes a straight, stable stroke.

Large adjustments, you better get back up.
 
@Oikawa, you might be more conventional than you realize. To be even close and be able to make adjustments while down without having to stand back up you have to be doing some amount of aiming while standing so your feet are in position.
 
Yes, the GPS only moves sideways. Good analogy. Is this a known method, or did you come up with the analogy now?
i came up with the analogy from playing a very high level player weekly for almost 2 years
he has no standard preshot routine with regards to what he does before he gets down to shoot
and when down to shoot he fidgets around and then fires and rarely misses a ball or misses shape
what he can do with the cue ball is amazing
he once tried to explain to me how he aims and applies english but i told him
he just gets down .........fishes around......... and when it looks good fires
his GPS tells him when he has arrived at his destination
:eek::eek::eek::eek:
the guy is amazing
of course he started as a kid and has played his whole life
 
Didn't have time to read this and give it justice, but I think you have to have your chin on the cue for this to work. Is that right? Most don't play that way.
 
@Oikawa, you might be more conventional than you realize. To be even close and be able to make adjustments while down without having to stand back up you have to be doing some amount of aiming while standing so your feet are in position.
I don't mean that I even have to be close to not have to stand back up, with my method you could be standing way off, and make the required (way bigger than you'd ever practically even do by accident) adjustments when down, shifting your body as you do so. I've tested this by deliberately starting ridiculously off, and adjusting the whole body/legs while down, until there's good balance and comfort. Those two are key, of course no matter your method, your potting % goes down if you can't stay still or stroke comfortably. And it doesn't hinder my shot making at all.

So, the leg positions are just for balance and comfort for me. The only components that matter for the alignment are (in my method) cue on chin and head rotation relative to cue. Of course I don't start half a meter off from the line when playing, because even if it wouldn't hurt the aim to start off, I know that I get good balance and comfort always stepping into the shot from a similar angle. I know that I won't miss the shot due to not aiming properly when standing up, so I can just drop down in roughly the right spot, and be confident that it won't cause any issues. One less thing to worry about.
 
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