WPA as non profit

[justnum]

WPA is a non profit. When the WPA collects fees, how much of their budget is spent developing and growing heyball compared to the traditional cue sports?

WPA pool pros are indirectly supporting Heyball expansion through events like the World Games.

Why should it be worth talking about?
Can the BCA organize heyball events in the US? The rules for heyball sanctioning and nineball sanctioning are different.

The lack of consistency in their rules are
what I pick at.

If the WPA can invent new rules that never existed in cue sports, then who are the power brokers doing it?

 

[Nick B]

 

[sjm]

WPA is a non profit. When the WPA collects fees, how much of their budget is spent developing and growing heyball compared to the traditional cue sports?

WPA pool pros are indirectly supporting Heyball expansion through events like the World Games.

Why should it be worth talking about?
Can the BCA organize heyball events in the US? The rules for heyball sanctioning and nineball sanctioning are different.

The lack of consistency in their rules are
what I pick at.

If the WPA can invent new rules that never existed in cue sports, then who are the power brokers doing it?

This is one of your more sensible posts.

Whether Hey-ball is a good fit for WPA is arguable. Perhaps it would be a better fit under the snooker umbrella of the WCBS.

As that's not happening, the evidence suggests that the WPA has done much, much, much more for pool in recent years than for Hey-ball. WPA Olympic efforts, though unsuccessful in gaining Olympic inclusion for cue sports, did get cue sports recognized as sports on the IOC radar. This led to the funding of many of the National pool federations which led to the financing of the careers of many of today's stars in pool. We've seen continued emergence of countless great players from every corner of the world, and the fields in pool today are, consequently, the toughest ever seen.

Who could have imagined ten years ago that the super-elite list of players carrying a Fargo of 790+ would include players from Singapore, Estonia, Lithuania, Serbia, Albania, Greece, Poland, Bosnia and Vietnam? Yes, WPA's efforts have borne much fruit in growing the game internationally, and pool's reach has grown demonstrably. In 2023, pro pool went to Qatar, Spain, Poland and Vietnam.

There's little, if any, evidence that WPA has done nearly as much for Hey-ball, a niche but very popular sport in just one corner of the world. Nearly all the world's top Hey-ball players are Asian, so why would someone want to produce a Hey-ball event in America?

... and that's not even mentioning how much growth there has been in women's pro pool.

Yes, I'm the first to knock WPA's "ban policy" that came out of October's summit in Qatar, but WPA should be recognized as having helped pool grow impressively.

 

[Black-Balled]

WPA is a non profit. When the WPA collects fees, how much of their budget is spent developing and growing heyball compared to the traditional cue sports?

WPA pool pros are indirectly supporting Heyball expansion through events like the World Games.

Why should it be worth talking about?
Can the BCA organize heyball events in the US? The rules for heyball sanctioning and nineball sanctioning are different.

The lack of consistency in their rules are
what I pick at.

If the WPA can invent new rules that never existed in cue sports, then who are the power brokers doing it?

You'll have that in a small town with no sheriff.

 

[FranCrimi]

WPA is a non profit. When the WPA collects fees, how much of their budget is spent developing and growing heyball compared to the traditional cue sports?

WPA pool pros are indirectly supporting Heyball expansion through events like the World Games.

Why should it be worth talking about?
Can the BCA organize heyball events in the US? The rules for heyball sanctioning and nineball sanctioning are different.

The lack of consistency in their rules are
what I pick at.

If the WPA can invent new rules that never existed in cue sports, then who are the power brokers doing it?

The WPA is a collaboration of all of the continental federations. Every continent and therefore, country, is represented in the organization. Creating or changing rules is a very detailed process that undergoes heavy scrutiny by each continental federation before the vote to incorporate the new rules or changes. Also, top level players are consulted for their opinions and suggestions as well and are taken very seriously.

As a result of this collaborative worldwide effort, there will always be compromises that have to be made. It's just like any other worldwide governing body. Not everyone will be entirely happy at all times.

 

[Black-Balled]

The WPA is a collaboration of all of the continental federations. Every continent and therefore, country, is represented in the organization. Creating or changing rules is a very detailed process that undergoes heavy scrutiny by each continental federation before the vote to incorporate the new rules or changes. Also, top level players are consulted for their opinions and suggestions as well and are taken very seriously.

As a result of this collaborative worldwide effort, there will always be compromises that have to be made. It's just like any other worldwide governing body. Not everyone will be entirely happy at all times.

He has little concept of how the world actually works.

 

[justnum]

The Asian federation may be part of countries with ancient histories.

However in the sports world the ACBS is an infant, among a half century old group of sports professionals and independently wealthy billiard players and room owners and pool table manufacturers.

The staging for battle of control for the future of the WPA will be exciting to watch and discuss.

The criticisms against early American "World Champions" was very valid. That criticism stands today as it is focused on the beginnings of Heyball. The most unproven sport of the group and the least accepted internationally. The price for other countries to adopt Heyball will be prohibitively high, unless the Asian group provides initial funding.

In terms of the WPA making a comprehensive strategy for the future, there currently seems to be a lot of other pressures influencing the billiard world. The worst being the excessive use of bans and restrictions on pool freedoms to compete outside of sanctioned events.

The blessing at the moment is the internet and having real time discussions over sharing reactions.

Thanks for all the responses. I have a research interest in the organizational structures involved in the WPA.

 

[Black-Balled]

Thanks for all the responses. I have a research interest in the organizational structures involved in the WPA.

Coz yewer a billiards tech researcher...Yeah.

 

[justnum]

Coz yewer a billiards tech researcher...Yeah.

Legal technology is different than electronic or math technology.

Legal tech is made by man or woman or government and used politically.

 

[justnum]

In parts of NYC there are multiple pool snooker and carom rooms in Flushing NY.

If ACBS is willing to provide funding to grow heyball in USA, it should start in NYC. The origin and birthplace of the largest billiard community.

However Heyball organization will need NGO support and local people to support it. Bringing Heyball to America can increase the flow of all cue athletes through NYC for development and training.

Is anyone in Heyball thinking they need to start expanding and has initial startup money for the NYC market?

 

[Black-Balled]

In parts of NYC there are multiple pool snooker and carom rooms in Flushing NY.

If ACBS is willing to provide funding to grow heyball in USA, it should start in NYC. The origin and birthplace of the largest billiard community.

However Heyball organization will need NGO support and local people to support it. Bringing Heyball to America can increase the flow of all cue athletes through NYC for development and training.

Is anyone in Heyball thinking they need to start expanding and has initial startup money for the NYC market?

You are suffering from a logic error called recency.

I think it likely heyball is going to be a blip on the billiards xradarx in the long run, like boners ball.

In the real world, large organizations can't absorb everything that pops up in the short term.

 

[justnum]

You are suffering from a logic error called recency.

I think it likely heyball is going to be a blip on the billiards xradarx in the long run, like boners ball.

In the real world, large organizations can't absorb everything that pops up in the short term.

The Heyball sponsors are likely willing to spend at all costs if it means their flagship cue sport will achieve progress towards foreign adoption.

The sponsors behind Heyball are not like the US backers. There are cultural differences and political intentions.

 

[garczar]

Heyball is Chinese 8ball which is POOL not snooker. It will never be more than a niche game played in Asia.

 

[Black-Balled]

The Heyball sponsors are likely willing to spend at all costs if it means their flagship cue sport will achieve progress towards foreign adoption.

The sponsors behind Heyball are not like the US backers. There are cultural differences and political intentions.

I don't know why you continue to imply you have some kind of knowledge about anything billiards or business related.

You continually display your lack of awareness re both.

 

[justnum]

I don't know why you continue to imply you have some kind of knowledge about anything billiards or business related.

You continually display your lack of awareness re both.

I am from Flushing NY.

Asian developers have political connections, a thriving Chinese community and dominance in the area. Heyball could be made successful in Flushing NY.

Outside of Flushing how many other Asian communities have a billiard industry like NYC? Yes I am asking for Heyball to invest in NYC.

Thirty years from now it might be a standard game in Flushing.

 

[Black-Balled]

I am from Flushing NY.

Asian developers have political connections, a thriving Chinese community and dominance in the area. Heyball could be made successful in Flushing NY.

Outside of Flushing how many other Asian communities have a billiard industry like NYC? Yes I am asking for Heyball to invest in NYC.

Thirty years from now it might be a standard game in Flushing.

Delusional.

Except the Chinese in flushing. There ARE a few there.

 

[skogstokig]

I am from Flushing NY.

Asian developers have political connections, a thriving Chinese community and dominance in the area. Heyball could be made successful in Flushing NY.

Outside of Flushing how many other Asian communities have a billiard industry like NYC? Yes I am asking for Heyball to invest in NYC.

Thirty years from now it might be a standard game in Flushing.

those chinese are more likely to take up american pool than import expensive joy tables that are still a novelty to chinese-americans and mainland chinese alike. it's not like heyball has a long history, or is deep rooted in migrant communities, such as 3C is for koreans or snooker for pakistanis/indians

the game in china will likely continue to thrive as long as sponsors are putting up decent prize money. the game itself isn't without merit, but it's unlikely to succeed outside china because it's a game for professional cueists rather than recreational players

 

[vjmehra]

those chinese are more likely to take up american pool than import expensive joy tables that are still a novelty to chinese-americans and mainland chinese alike. it's not like heyball has a long history, or is deep rooted in migrant communities, such as 3C is for koreans or snooker for pakistanis/indians

the game in china will likely continue to thrive as long as sponsors are putting up decent prize money. the game itself isn't without merit, but it's unlikely to succeed outside china because it's a game for professional cueists rather than recreational players

A very fair point, but one thing I did think, is that perhaps with real estate prices rising in all major western cities (even if the rise has been temporarily slowed since covid), there is some logic that perhaps snooker clubs may look at the return on x snooker tables vs 1.5x Heyball tables and perhaps it makes sense.

So maybe the more obvious market is actually the UK where plenty of snooker clubs exist, but are struggling due to high rents. Also in some respects Heyball might be a more logical jump for English pool and snooker players than 9-Ball players (which is the main American game over here).

 

[justnum]

those chinese are more likely to take up american pool than import expensive joy tables that are still a novelty to chinese-americans and mainland chinese alike. it's not like heyball has a long history, or is deep rooted in migrant communities, such as 3C is for koreans or snooker for pakistanis/indians

the game in china will likely continue to thrive as long as sponsors are putting up decent prize money. the game itself isn't without merit, but it's unlikely to succeed outside china because it's a game for professional cueists rather than recreational players

Flushing Main street is an economic engine. Putting Heyball HQ in Flushing will be a way to support cueists in USA as they train for other disciplines and learn how to manage a billiard room.

The Heyball organization will also have the advantage that Flushing is building hotels and can host Heyball pros from China with all the same luxuries and more.

Flushing needs Heyball to unite the Asian pool community properly. The Asian community is split among pool games. Heyball can help people decide on being a leader in a new game or another dog in the established areas.

The strong Asian presence in Flushing demands that Heyball be there to attract people to Chinese culture.

 

[Black-Balled]

Flushing Main street is an economic engine. Putting Heyball HQ in Flushing will be a way to support cueists in USA as they train for other disciplines and learn how to manage a billiard room.

The Heyball organization will also have the advantage that Flushing is building hotels and can host Heyball pros from China with all the same luxuries and more.

Flushing needs Heyball to unite the Asian pool community properly. The Asian community is split among pool games. Heyball can help people decide on being a leader in a new game or another dog in the established areas.

The strong Asian presence in Flushing demands that Heyball be there to attract people to Chinese culture.

What delusional chair do you rise from?