people Were giving this dude shit but think about it. He’s a normal guy. He’s playing in an arena full of people. 20k on the line and his whole team counting him. Eva mataya and the other guy at the end looking over the table commentating. I think you tube alone had over 50k people watching live. If that’s not enough your playing a 2 and no 9 wants to lose to a 2 lol he scratched 4 time and 2 of them gave her a 4 point run. that’s a killer. That’s a ton of preasure for the average amateur and if your saying it wouldn’t effect you your either very much in the minority or your lying to yourself. The women wasn’t sandbagging. She was terrible. But shit just happens sometimes.
that type of stuff can make a match against a 2 real interesting real fast lolI can live with my fargo being low. Like 100% of the players, I'm underrated. It would like it to be higher but I figure it extends my eligibility in capped tournaments.
And while the handicap system in APA isn't perfect, it gets it pretty close. Enough so that this was an actual match. That SL9 would probably beat her in that race 19 times out of 20. Maybe a bigger spread, 29 out 30. Or more. But when you give her a chance, she might make the most of it.people Were giving this dude shit but think about it. He’s a normal guy. He’s playing in an arena full of people. 20k on the line and his whole team counting him. Eva mataya and the other guy at the end looking over the table commentating. I think you tube alone had over 50k people watching live. If that’s not enough your playing a 2 and no 9 wants to lose to a 2 lol he scratched 4 time and 2 of them gave her a 4 point run. that’s a killer. That’s a ton of preasure for the average amateur and if your saying it wouldn’t effect you your either very much in the minority or your lying to yourself. The women wasn’t sandbagging. She was terrible. But shit just happens sometimes.
btw he had some bad luck to. The one rack the cue ball got kicked in off the break. The 2 ball stopped at the side pocket. The 9 ball stopped at the corner pocket and then the 3 rolled right up against it. lol my pug could get out from there
I did find some of the comments funny. Someone said they know she’s working really hard on her game. I try not to disrespect anyones game BUT SHES A 2! what was she working on? Not falling down when she bends over to shoot! You can’t be working hard and your still a 2And while the handicap system in APA isn't perfect, it gets it pretty close. Enough so that this was an actual match. That SL9 would probably beat her in that race 19 times out of 20. Maybe a bigger spread, 29 out 30. Or more. But when you give her a chance, she might make the most of it.
Que the cliches.... that's why they don't play games on paper. Or since its Sunday... on any given day...
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And while the handicap system in APA isn't perfect, it gets it pretty close. Enough so that this was an actual match. That SL9 would probably beat her in that race 19 times out of 20. Maybe a bigger spread, 29 out 30. Or more. But when you give her a chance, she might make the most of it.
Que the cliches.... that's why they don't play games on paper. Or since its Sunday... on any given day...
My declaration of "pretty close" is referring to how close to accurate the APA is in skill assessment. The race...well...I dont think many SL2s are going to beat many SL9s. But the handicap makes it so they "could", if they play well (for them) and the SL9 gives them the opportunity. That's really all you can ask, with players so far apart in ability.
The goal of good handicapping systems is to create an “even” match. To win, you need to play better in relation to your own average than your opponent plays in relation to theirs.
Yup. Gotta go into lock-down mode against a weak opponent in point-per-ball 9-ball, have patience, take no risks, leave hook safes or distance when you get out of shape.
It doesn't, and it can't. A SL of 2 represents a certain ability, and if a player improves beyond that ability they become a SL3. A SL of 9 also represents a certain ability, and if a player improves they stay a SL9, meaning they should be expected to win more often than before they improved against someone with the ability of a SL2. Taking into account that SL2->SL3 movement happens much more frequently than SL8->SL9 movement, that means SL9 will always have an advantage over the other skill levels. SL1's and SL9's are special that way, but SL2 through SL8 is pretty much as "even" as you can get. Not at any point in time for specific players (that depends on whether the two players are "trending" up or not, because SL reflects measured ability and that means you have to demonstrate the ability of a higher SL before the system makes you one), but over the long run for random players in each SL range it's very close.
This is the goal, though I would substitute "measured ability" for "average". At the low skill levels, it is easier to do that than at the upper skill levels (the upper limit is higher for lower SL's, relatively, because the measurement is so low), but as one improves their consistency should improve too, making the lower limit higher. In other words, when both players are "on" the lower skill level has a slight advantage, but when both players are "off" that advantage flips to the higher skill level.
You can say that about any handicapping system. Sandbagging means not showing your true speed until you need it. As the stakes get higher, you're more apt to show it. To catch the sandbaggers locally, if they never show their true speed, means you have to be willing to be wrong sometimes and punish innocent players. That's worse than letting a guilty player get away with it, if you don't know they're guilty. It's also why most of us consider data from outside our own system (like performance in tournaments and other leagues, or Fargo ratings) to help with the subjective part of our jobs, because catching a good sandbagger is necessarily subjective.
What I meant was, shouldn’t the all-time results of SL2 vs SL9 matches be approximately evenly split? Meaning about half the time the 2 wins, and half the time the 9 wins? You agreed that is the goal of a handicapping system. But later you said the 2s have an edge, so maybe I’m still not understanding the APA system.
Never saw sandbagging in the ACS leagues. Everyone played at their highest gear in every game. Played in ACS for three years and never witnessed sandbagging. I saw it all the time in APA where I was an 8 / 6. Now I can’t find an APA team to even consider adding me to a team. As soon as they hear my ranks they say no thanks. High ranking players are not wanted in the APA unless one plays masters.
Not for the 9's. They have the edge against a random player of any skill level, because they can improve and not go up. There is a point, near the bottom of the SL9 range, where the 50-50 rule applies, but none of the improving 9's ever go up so it gets easier to fade the spot. Just looking at the win% of the 9's bears this out. You never see a 9 less than 50%, but if the race was "even" you would.
Fargo doesn't care if you win in 2 innings or 5 innings. Winning is all that matters. So the captain telling the player to slow down when he won in 2 innings makes no sense. The only way to sandbag your Fargo is to lose. Which I don't think the captain wants.
