Entry refusal

You have brought this up a few times but it sounds like they aren't letting you play because you don't have enough games in the system not because you are too good or rated too high. Big difference as no one wants someone coming in robbing their tournaments when their rating is not established.
Nope this is a completely different tournament. I’ve been refused entry into several tournaments over the last few years. Also 2 of those players have less games in the system than I do. It’s also not that I am a stranger to the guys running the tournament. One of the guys live in the same small town that I do. I’ve known him at least 30 years.
 
I’ll also add that there were 3 other players that I know of that was also denied entry into this tournament. There was 5 of us players that play pretty much even. 3 of us was told we couldn’t play but the other 2 were allowed to play.

I know all of the guys very well so I’m definitely not taking it personal. I knew they weren’t going to let me play before I ask. You just see this a lot around where I live where they let some players play but deny others when there is a very small amount of difference in their playing abilities.
 
Yeah. It sucks that a lot of A Players don't have a place to compete but if bangers don't have any fun there won't be any new players.
I used to think this and then i moved somewhere that doesn't have any handicap events. Everything is played even tournaments and league, There is still a steady stream of new blood, the numbers of players aren't as large as in the us, as you don't get the people who its a social night out once or twice a week, but the people you do get are rather dedicated and put in the time to get better. I think it breeds stronger players.

I was definitely one of those players, i was able to win often enough with the handicap for me to be happy and never felt the need to put any work in to improve, why bother would only make it harder to find teams or have to give more games to someone weaker. Now the only way to win is to get better.
 
I used to think this and then i moved somewhere that doesn't have any handicap events. Everything is played even tournaments and league, There is still a steady stream of new blood, the numbers of players aren't as large as in the us, as you don't get the people who its a social night out once or twice a week, but the people you do get are rather dedicated and put in the time to get better. I think it breeds stronger players.

I was definitely one of those players, i was able to win often enough with the handicap for me to be happy and never felt the need to put any work in to improve, why bother would only make it harder to find teams or have to give more games to someone weaker. Now the only way to win is to get better.
I think capped tournaments or lower entry fees for less skilled players are preferable to handicaps.
 
There is no reason on Earth to exclude any player from any tourney anywhere!
I would way rather get destroyed by some badass monster with skills than beat someone who can't get out from anywhere.
How in the World can you expect to get better if you exclude the people with the most ability?
 
There is no reason on Earth to exclude any player from any tourney anywhere!
I would way rather get destroyed by some badass monster with skills than beat someone who can't get out from anywhere.
How in the World can you expect to get better if you exclude the people with the most ability?


500 and under tournaments attract 350 bangers who want to play against people better than they are.

600 and under tournaments attract 450 players who want to do the same.

Neither one of them are going to learn a damn thing sitting on their ass watching a 700+ Fargo run table after table. Nobody "learns" anything going two and out 7/0, 5/0 time and time again other than they shouldn't be throwing their money away just to watch others play pool from an especially close seat...

By putting Fargo limited caps on tournaments we're actually providing a lot more opportunity for lesser skilled players to develop some skills and tournament chops without making them feel like they're just flushing their money down the drain.

There's nothing that says you can't jump into the box with people much better than you anytime you want, regardless of your skill level.. There are plenty of open tournaments out there if you want to throw away your money in order to "get better".

By the way, if you enjoy giving your money to "bad ass monsters" next time you're down Florida way, let me know and I'm sure I can dig you up a game or two. 😁
 
500 and under tournaments attract 350 bangers who want to play against people better than they are.

600 and under tournaments attract 450 players who want to do the same.

Neither one of them are going to learn a damn thing sitting on their ass watching a 700+ Fargo run table after table. Nobody "learns" anything going two and out 7/0, 5/0 time and time again other than they shouldn't be throwing their money away just to watch others play pool from an especially close seat...

By putting Fargo limited caps on tournaments we're actually providing a lot more opportunity for lesser skilled players to develop some skills and tournament chops without making them feel like they're just flushing their money down the drain.

There's nothing that says you can't jump into the box with people much better than you anytime you want, regardless of your skill level.. There are plenty of open tournaments out there if you want to throw away your money in order to "get better".

By the way, if you enjoy giving your money to "bad ass monsters" next time you're down Florida way, let me know and I'm sure I can dig you up a game or two. 😁
Not one 700+ player ever said "I'm not getting in that tourney because those players are too good" And that's exactly why they are 700+ players.
700+ players entry $$$$
600+ players entry $$$
500+ players entry $$
I have zero interest in winning a tourney that told all the players that can fire back to stay home.
 
Not one 700+ player ever said "I'm not getting in that tourney because those players are too good" And that's exactly why they are 700+ players.
700+ players entry $$$$
600+ players entry $$$
500+ players entry $$
I have zero interest in winning a tourney that told all the players that can fire back to stay home.

I'm sorry, but that's not why they are 700 level players!

The point is that those 300, 400, 500 level players will stay away from tournaments because it's a waste of their time and money. No matter what anybody says, they're not learning a damn thing from playing 700+ level players.

If you or I want to play with the big boys, we can always do so. Nobody has ever refused to take my dead money.
 
Not one 700+ player ever said "I'm not getting in that tourney because those players are too good" And that's exactly why they are 700+ players.
700+ players entry $$$$
600+ players entry $$$
500+ players entry $$
I have zero interest in winning a tourney that told all the players that can fire back to stay home.

Just curious, what’s your FR?

Hypothetically: there’s a 64-man tournament with a $10,000 entry fee, and the first 63 players to sign up are FR 794 and up (I checked - those are the top 63 players in the world).

Think you could find a FR 700-725 player to enter that tournament with his own money? Would you enter it?

I agree that playing against better players is a good way to get better. I enjoy playing in the Texas 9 and 10-ball Open tournaments, where I know I probably won’t advance more than 2-3 rounds, but it’s not a lot of money to me and it’s fun to play against pros.

But when the dollar amount gets “serious” for a guy, he’s either delusional, masochistic, or doesn’t care about money if he jumps in a ring full of 2-4X better players.
 
I agree that playing against better players is a good way to get better.

I would add "within a reasonable range". Maybe 100 to 150 Fargo points difference on the high end?

Pushing yourself to perform better against better players can certainly help. But my pool game isn't going to improve playing SVB for money any more than my golf game is going to improve by playing Tiger Woods for money.

Whatever I'm going to learn from playing either of them is the same as I can learn by watching them from the sidelines.
 
Just curious, what’s your FR?

Hypothetically: there’s a 64-man tournament with a $10,000 entry fee, and the first 63 players to sign up are FR 794 and up (I checked - those are the top 63 players in the world).

Think you could find a FR 700-725 player to enter that tournament with his own money? Would you enter it?

I agree that playing against better players is a good way to get better. I enjoy playing in the Texas 9 and 10-ball Open tournaments, where I know I probably won’t advance more than 2-3 rounds, but it’s not a lot of money to me and it’s fun to play against pros.

But when the dollar amount gets “serious” for a guy, he’s either delusional, masochistic, or doesn’t care about money if he jumps in a ring full of 2-4X better players.
I am terrible, prob 550-575.
You guys are probably 100% right, I would just much rather a system that includes not excludes. It just seems to me that with a system like Fargo that can be & should be achieved.
If someone comes to a pool tourney & wants to play pool I'm in the "let 'em in" camp.
 
I would add "within a reasonable range". Maybe 100 to 150 Fargo points difference on the high end?

Pushing yourself to perform better against better players can certainly help. But my pool game isn't going to improve playing SVB for money any more than my golf game is going to improve by playing Tiger Woods for money.

Whatever I'm going to learn from playing either of them is the same as I can learn by watching them from the sidelines.

I appreciate your points, but the 100 pt better guy is still going to beat me in almost every match. The only advantage vs an even stronger opponent is that I should get a few more opportunities at the table over the course of a set.

With the much stronger opponents, I’m experiencing real pressure, especially with the bigger gallery that watches a well-known player, and I’ll have at least a few turns at the table to play under that pressure. That’s what I mean by “getting better.” I’m not studying their stroke, pattern play, or strategy, since I can do that on YouTube. I’m learning to handle my fight-or-flight sympathetic nervous system kicking in to extremes, and getting accustomed to being in the spotlight.

I’m the same way with golf. I’d rather play Tiger in front of the huge galleries he draws than by ourselves with nobody watching - just for the pressure-cooker environment. (And unlike pool, I’d get to shoot way more shots than him, lol.)

Maybe I’m just an adrenaline junkie. I also catch rattlesnakes for fun. 😜
 
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I am terrible, prob 550-575.
You guys are probably 100% right, I would just much rather a system that includes not excludes. It just seems to me that with a system like Fargo that can be & should be achieved.
If someone comes to a pool tourney & wants to play pool I'm in the "let 'em in" camp.

I get ya, but it’s just not realistic, because those big under-600 $1,000 tournies that are getting popular now, solely due to the widespread adoption of FargoRates, would cease to exist with an open policy. I think they’re great for the amateur scene.

It almost sounds like you’re wanting more big handicapped tournaments.
 
I would add "within a reasonable range". Maybe 100 to 150 Fargo points difference on the high end?

Pushing yourself to perform better against better players can certainly help. But my pool game isn't going to improve playing SVB for money any more than my golf game is going to improve by playing Tiger Woods for money.

Whatever I'm going to learn from playing either of them is the same as I can learn by watching them from the sidelines.
Yeah, if I have a good day I can beat a player 100-150 points higher, maybe with a couple of favorable rolls for me or bad for him. If I don't have a chance, all in doing is practicing losing.
 
I appreciate your points, but the 100 pt better guy is still going to beat me in almost every match. The only advantage vs an even stronger opponent is that I should get a few more opportunities at the table over the course of a set.

With the much stronger opponents, I’m experiencing real pressure, especially with the bigger gallery that watches a well-known player, and I’ll have at least a few turns at the table to play under that pressure. That’s what I mean by “getting better.” I’m not studying their stroke, pattern play, or strategy, since I can do that on YouTube. I’m learning to handle my fight-or-flight sympathetic nervous system kicking in to extremes, and getting accustomed to being in the spotlight.

I’m the same way with golf. I’d rather play Tiger in front of the huge galleries he draws than by ourselves with nobody watching - just for the pressure-cooker environment. (And unlike pool, I’d get to shoot way more shots than him, lol.)

I guess it really depends on how good you are and how much tournament pool you play.

If someone is a 450 level player, simply playing in a tournament where he's paid $100 of his own money between the entry fee and buying himself in the Calcutta, against a 550 level player, he's going to be experiencing plenty of "real pressure".

That's why those under 500 and under 600 tournaments are such a benefit to the less experienced/lower rated player. And those same players simply aren't going to jump into the box with 700+ rated players. It's a complete waste of their time and money.

If you need to play a 700+ Fargo on a live stream to feel any "real pressure" and expect that you're getting to the table "plenty of times" against him, then you're not the type of player who's playing in under 600 tournaments anyways. Jump in to those open tournaments where you belong, but let's not take away the opportunity for those lower rated players to join in on the fun.

It's also worth noting that we're starting to see quite a few thousand dollar entry 600 and under tournaments. I guarantee, those guys are feeling "real pressure" too!
 
I am terrible, prob 550-575.
You guys are probably 100% right, I would just much rather a system that includes not excludes. It just seems to me that with a system like Fargo that can be & should be achieved.
If someone comes to a pool tourney & wants to play pool I'm in the "let 'em in" camp.

I hope this doesn't come across mean spirited, because it really isn't intended to be. Simply an observation. If it comes across differently, I apologize in advance.

It sounds as if you don't have an established Fargo when you say "I'm terrible, probably 550-575". Is that right? I'm also guessing that you don't play a lot of tournaments pool with people that do have established Fargo ratings or you would have one yourself.

I think people who don't play in a lot of Fargo events with others with well established ratings, especially if they spend a lot of time on the Internet 😁, have a misconception of how good a 575 Fargo player is. Maybe it's my own misperception because that's right where I am, but a 575 Fargo gets around the table in a pretty sporty way. Does he miss shots? Miss position? Certainly. But not nearly as often as people might think and he's fully capable of running back to back racks and making you pay for any mistakes you might make along the way.

As has been mentioned before, attend some of the higher dollar 600 and under tournaments, Hell pony up your thousand dollars and jump into that box yourself, and you might come away with a different perspective of what "terrible" is and is not... 😁
 
I hope this doesn't come across mean spirited, because it really isn't intended to be. Simply an observation. If it comes across differently, I apologize in advance.

It sounds as if you don't have an established Fargo when you say "I'm terrible, probably 550-575". Is that right? I'm also guessing that you don't play a lot of tournaments pool with people that do have established Fargo ratings or you would have one yourself.

I think people who don't play in a lot of Fargo events with others with well established ratings, especially if they spend a lot of time on the Internet 😁, have a misconception of how good a 575 Fargo player is. Maybe it's my own misperception because that's right where I am, but a 575 Fargo gets around the table in a pretty sporty way. Does he miss shots? Miss position? Certainly. But not nearly as often as people might think and he's fully capable of running back to back racks and making you pay for any mistakes you might make along the way.

As has been mentioned before, attend some of the higher dollar 600 and under tournaments, Hell pony up your thousand dollars and jump into that box yourself, and you might come away with a different perspective of what "terrible" is and is not... 😁

This man is speaking the truth.
 
This man is speaking the truth.
I made a statement & deserve all the critique if I'm wrong. Everything you said was correct I don't have a Fargo & have never played in a Fargo tourney.
I don't wan't to 2nd guess someone who actually puts on tourneys & gets people playing (I'm not)
I was just speaking for myself. I personally love getting stomped by a better player.
I truly have no idea of my Fargo but I'm confident it's would be at least 550.
 
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