Foul, or just rude? Or am I a nit?
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The WPA regulations specify that when the template is removed, it should be removed completely away from the playing area. That's not a rule but rather an instruction mostly to the referee, and it is not a foul to do something else. I think the rule was written because someone placed the template on the rail and later the cue ball touched the template during a shot.
Players sometimes leave cue extensions or chalk or (unused) bridges on the table during a shot. There is no rule against it, but of course it is a foul for a ball to hit such debris.
In the given scenario, I'd rule it a foul if a ball happened to touch the moved template. The rules are not perfectly clear on this point, though.
The CSI rules, which cover a lot of the stranger cases in the appendix at the end, don't mention templates at all.
Players sometimes leave cue extensions or chalk or (unused) bridges on the table during a shot. There is no rule against it, but of course it is a foul for a ball to hit such debris.
In the given scenario, I'd rule it a foul if a ball happened to touch the moved template. The rules are not perfectly clear on this point, though.
The CSI rules, which cover a lot of the stranger cases in the appendix at the end, don't mention templates at all.
Calling a foul for that would seem a little nitty to me.
I think that's why it bothers me. I'd rather not get into that discussion if he blows the shot and the template ends up changing the ball position.
And I fully admit the inconsistency about how I would feel if the template had the same effect but was on the spot . . .
He did. But he might not have.
Template accepted basically as part of the table. No matter what happens, a ball rolls off it ect, you accept it
I hear you but let me pose this scenario and see how you feel. You are facing a touchy shot where the cue ball is headed for a dead scratch unless you shoot the shot very softly resulting in the cue ball rolling very slowly towards the scratch. So you relocate the template in front of the scratch pocket in the hopes the edge of the template will aid in stopping the cue ball from falling into the pocket.
Had 3 or 4 who purposely set it upside down on the rail to rile opponents.
It's just a sign of weakness.
My cousin likes to put the chalk on the cloth while he shoots.
I'm surprised you let him live.
I was thinking as a referee in a tournament, not a gambling match between acquaintances.
Completely unacceptable, but I fail to see the similarity of the 2 situations.
Understood - We’ve seen this past year of a few instances in which referees have made some ridiculous calls, even though technically they may be enforcing the rules.
In practice nobody really worries about it.
I'll play pool anyway anyone likes. Call your own fouls ect. Fool me once, I'll still play but I'm not gonna call a foul on myself ever.
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Why didn't you just ask him about it??
A similar controversy can occur over the timing of the breaker removing the break pad, although I realize break pads are not used in bigger tournaments.
After the break, some players choose to remove the break pad immediately, some wait until all the balls have stopped rolling, but some may fall somewhere in between, deciding at the last second whether or not to remove the break pad based on if keeping it in place might benefit them or not as far as where balls might end up.
I’ve never seen this leading to a conflict between 2 players, but I could see an instance where it could.
