Pool is becoming a rich man's sport

How do you make $1M in racing? Start with $10M...lol.
That's about the truth of it.
Entry fee, fuel for the hauler, fuel for race car, etc $600-$2,500 depending on if its a local track or regional.
Complete race ready car with no spare parts $50,000-$250,000 depending on how fast and how nice your stuff is.
Toterhome and trailer (or dually and trailer) $75,000-$500,000 (it can be much more than that but lets not get carried away)
That's all for amatuer level stuff, we hit the road most weekends with enough stuff to buy a small house to a pretty nice house in a well to do area, I think pool is downright cheap but I also don't have a $5,000 custom cue.
 
Pool is really very affordable. When I compare how much I spend vs. friends at work
pool is one of the cheapest hobbies that require equipment and some travel.
all middle class people can easily afford it and most poorer than that.

250 dollars cue and case.
one dollar for sandpaper for tip care
3 dollars for a glove
free chalk.
a job to pay for pool time or hotels.
economy car to travel.
254 dollars pool equipment. 3000 dollars for a car.
off you go.

oh, if you are capable to make a winning game you can always find people to play for table time. so that then is free.
Thanks for posting what I was going to post. This game is super cheap for me. I get up in the afternoon (graveyard shift worker) drink coffee and do the drill routine at home (therapy) and it really hasn’t cost me anything over the initial expenses of the table and a good Runde cue. Every 6 months or so I spend 20 bucks to get a new tip installed, and a new glove about every two years. It’s much cheaper than my friends paying green fees, or country club dues. One of these days I’m going to venture out and maybe go to Tulsa and see about challenging Garczar to some low stakes 9 ball. Lol
 
Visited Harrisonburg, VA yesterday and the pool hall there has free pool from noon to 3pm w/ purchase of lunch, and I was buying lunch somewhere anyway. The food was good and reasonably priced. Half dozen cars in the lot when I left, none were European imports or other luxury brands.
 
Visited Harrisonburg, VA yesterday and the pool hall there has free pool from noon to 3pm w/ purchase of lunch, and I was buying lunch somewhere anyway. The food was good and reasonably priced. Half dozen cars in the lot when I left, none were European imports or other luxury brands.
Gold Crown! Never shot pool there but played a lot of video golf!
 
There’s so much bad math in here.

A deduction is not equal to an incurred cost. And that is used as a method to reduce taxable income when the driving is used as part of business expenses.

And then the idea of opportunity cost being comingled with yearly salary. If that’s the case then I miss out on $50k a year as well by sleeping.

And then, somehow accounting for scratch offs and losing gambling? Why not account for gambling on the football games when you play at home.

I think I’m back to just the tournament talks again.

Cheers man.

Didn't think it would start an argument as I was largely agreeing with you, simply expanding on the costs of going to play pool elsewhere.

Anyways none of it was bad math, although perhaps some of it was poor reasoning. But let's examine.

A deduction is in fact, often, an incurred cost. If you have an expense of x that is tax-deductible, you deduct x. The IRS allows a 65.5c/mile deduction because it estimates the average actual cost of running a vehicle is 65.5c. The IRS is not in business to be generous or reduce people's tax liabilities, so I trust their estimate. Therefore, for many people that is a good long-term estimate of their cost per mile of using their vehicle.

Opportunity cost is quite valid. Time savings is a very important aspect of people's lives. What value do you place on your time? I mean, I guess here we both are arguing on the internet, so maybe it's overstated for either of us, but time is money for many people. Saving 2100 hours over a lifetime to do other things (even if it is catching up on sleep) is quite valuable, no matter how you decide to quantify it.

Finally, when people go to bars and are around other people and activities they tend to spend more money. I don't think that's arguable. You get a meal, or you get a couple drinks, whatever. All those other items (gambling, jukeboxes, scratch-offs) were other common items people spend money on in bars because they are there and available, although perhaps any of them do not apply to you. But I can pretty much guarantee people who regularly hang out in such environments have a higher spend on food/drinks/music/etc, on average, than people who are at home.

So I do not think there is any poor reasoning, just perhaps imprecise calculations with broad ranges of possible answers depending on the individual involved. But if you want to argue that driving a car doesn't cost money, or that time has no value, or that people do not spend money in bars, then be my guest.
 
In 1968 bar boxes cost a quarter a game. And maybe a beer or $1 bet.
I was making $4 hour. The equipment sucked but I still played.
 
its all relative and spending money is part of life if you want to live it.

if you are not doing one thing you replace it with another.
every thing costs more each year and you should earn more each year. if you dont you are in a bad job or business and need to improve your lot in life
if you dont, it really means you are just lazy and choose to be like that. your choice.
 
I always planned to take a group of students to the pool room and teach them economics.
The only way to make money in a room is by taking someone else's. The WPA has to take govt money locked down for at least 5 years to keep afloat without MR.

At that point it is a game for who wants it more.

Its nice rich people hang out in the room, I don't mind playing a few games to keep them entertained.
I did enjoy all the public and commercial material they put out.

When I was younger I thought rich people want me to bend the knee, for whatever.

Nowadays, everyone has experienced loss and its fun the pool room is always open, losers can stay in the room together. Especially after COVID.
 
Those hi prices exist but its not the norm. I have 10 GC4's to play on for 4bux/hr during the day.
The average table price here is equivalent of 10-15$ per hour (which I think is excessive, but better here than 1GBP a game on a shitty English pool table in a bar - which is what seems to be the norm where I am from). I would probably play less where I am now if I didn't get free 'solo time' or reduced rates when playing a match. The boss at the hall I go to, and the small community I have found there has really helped with diving into the game. But if I had to pay membership fees, or commute to play... then I would still be just a snooker player, playing sporadically and taking drinks from people in bars on whatever table, with whatever cues lol

I would say that given the nature of the product available in the game, and the way that marketing, branding and creation of 'new' materials or 'tech' is being churned out at least a couple times a year, that it is a monied persons game (or wants to give the illusion that spending money matters/helps). It shows that there are people chasing money, or consider that spending more money matters. Whether it is high-end custom, or even lower end production line stuff. The onus is on you to spend. How much you spend is on you. But I would say it's not a cheap hobby. It can be, but the way that it's consumers spend (or think about spending...) - "this will make me play better" "this is what so and so plays with" yada yada gives the impression to me that it isn't. It's painted as an 'everyman's game' - but not everyman has a "insert name" cue, and can play on a "insert spec and insert name" table.
 
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Also, I see people respond to my equipment list and that list is what I see currently. We're not talking about how affordable it is in 1975. I see a lot of people bring up their experiences from 50 years ago.

With that said, are you guys not seeing what is being sold right now? An entry level cue is $400 and that's with an old broom stick. No new tech.

$200 cues and $20 cases is all folklore today. I'm in my 40's and if I tell people this they would think I'm closer to 50.
 
Also, I see people respond to my equipment list and that list is what I see currently. We're not talking about how affordable it is in 1975. I see a lot of people bring up their experiences from 50 years ago.

With that said, are you guys not seeing what is being sold right now? An entry level cue is $400 and that's with an old broom stick. No new tech.

$200 cues and $20 cases is all folklore today. I'm in my 40's and if I tell people this they would think I'm closer to 50.
Corvettes were $5k in 1970
 
There is some truth to it because even if you don't have a table or cue you can easily go to your local pool room which provides the equipment to play. To actually travel you will need equipment and a bag of pool equipment is equal to a bag of golf equipment.

I'm being conservative here and I know my equipment so everything is based on your decent setup.

$350 cuetec case
$800 cue cuetec/predator/mezz any one of these
$400 shaft
$400 break cue
$200 jump cue
$200 misc/tip shaper/tip tool/glove/ extra tip
$100 chalk , you need a few of those in the bag and TAOM is the go-to
$30 claw to hold your cue
$5 towel

=$2,485 to get your traveling setup

Then you have to factor travel expense and everyone is different so I won't go into it.
Do you really need a claw? just asking, have a great day.
 
Corvettes were $5k in 1970
Damn. That hits hard.

I play a quite a bit of golf and some buy not much pool lately, and fishing costs significantly more than both golf and pool combined. And that’s not even including the price of the boat just operating costs.

Pool is an every man’s sports. Just like bowling. You can spend as much or as little as you want and have almost the same experience.
 
Damn. That hits hard.

I play a quite a bit of golf and some buy not much pool lately, and fishing costs significantly more than both golf and pool combined. And that’s not even including the price of the boat just operating costs.

Pool is an every man’s sports. Just like bowling. You can spend as much or as little as you want and have almost the same experience.
Could say that about fishing... depends what you're fishing for and where... In my hometown, I will only ever want to catch mackerel. I have my spot that is sheltered from the weather in a cliff top a short cycle from my home (even my great-great grandad fished the same spot). A perfect sandy bottomed, in-laid hideaway spot for the mackerel. A spot with perfect visibility for the shoal, that actively encourages the fish to filter through (given the current and North shore conditions), cover for myself from the wind and weather and a path clear of rocks for line.

My set-up I've used for the last 15+ years cost less than a 10th of what I have spent on pool equipment this year alone (that's without getting into table fees, tournament entries or lost money games)

I guess that all this emphasizes is the relativity of cost to the exacting requirements of the individual vs. what is available.
 
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