Another Farorate thread

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

If I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying your friend's fargorate at the time he played you affects what your rating is today. That's not true. Ever night when the fargorates are recalculated, (for everyone), the rating itself is not used in the calculation. All that is used is wins/losses. So if he was 1000 when you played, and beat you like a drum, or he was 100 when you played him, and beat you the same amount, both your ratings would still be the same today. Only wins and losses matter.

No, I’m saying he’s probably around 500 and listed as a 430 fargorate. Against him I am 85 wins 65 losses. Or something like that. He doesn’t have many other games in the system. I only have 450 total. So if I go up to 600 he’s going up to probably 550. Now I’m more into the Fargorate annd an little upset that I gave him a few of the games. You know he’s my buddy so I’m not gonna play him 100% every time. Though, it’s gonna be 100% if we play again

 

[Chili Palmer]

No. I think I just try too hard because I want my rate to go up. I don’t even think it’s got to do with the drinking. I’m in my own head because I don’t understand how I’m so low!

One of two things could be happening.

1) You're not applying yourself as in, you're not putting in REAL practice and you're not focusing during your matches.
2) The numbers are correct.

 

[Chili Palmer]

One of two things could be happening.

1) You're not applying yourself as in, you're not putting in REAL practice and you're not focusing during your matches.
2) The numbers are correct.

I'll add that I had a playing partner back in Omaha for years, he always thought he was better than he was and thought he could keep up with me. Fast forward nearly 20 years, I was out of the game for 14, played hard for about 3 and hit 600'sh. He played league the entire time, he's a 450.

Sometimes it just is what it is.

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

One of two things could be happening.

1) You're not applying yourself as in, you're not putting in REAL practice and you're not focusing during your matches.
2) The numbers are correct.

No, the numbers are correct for the tournaments I played. I’m not arguing that. What I’m saying about being in my own head is it is in the back of my mind every tournament now. I’m like I can’t lose any games. So I don’t play my real game. I’ll safe when I shouldn’t and I get mad when I lose a game. That’s what I was trying to say I’m not trying to argue that my Fargorate is incorrect.

 

[Chili Palmer]

No, the numbers are correct for the tournaments I played. I’m not arguing that. What I’m saying about being in my own head is it is in the back of my mind every tournament now. I’m like I can’t lose any games. So I don’t play my real game. I’ll safe when I shouldn’t and I get mad when I lose a game. That’s what I was trying to say I’m not trying to argue that my Fargorate is incorrect.

You're not focusing then. Get the damn FR out of your head, it's a number, play your game. Focus on the game, every ball, every shot.

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

You're not focusing then. Get the damn FR out of your head, it's a number, play your game. Focus on the game, every ball, every shot.

I’m trying chili! Think that’s why I’m gonna sign up for the pro at super billiard Expo. No way I’m gonna hold back there. Maybe can go up a few points. Plus it’s alternating breaks so I know I’ll get at least two or three games on anybody I play because they won’t have a shot those games! Lolol. Yes, I’m 20% break and run percentage. Anybody want to throw some money on it?

 

[Chili Palmer]

I’m trying chili! Think that’s why I’m gonna sign up for the pro at super billiard Expo. No way I’m gonna hold back there. Maybe can go up a few points. Plus it’s alternating brakes so I know I’ll get at least two or three games on anybody I play because they won’t have a shot those games! Lolol

Here's a very serious piece of advice - stop trying to run out the table. Start shooting percentages. What are the chances of cutting that ball in and getting back to the end of the table for the next one, what are the chances of just tapping that ball and ducking for cover and getting BIH.

That is a number one issue for players of your skill level. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Additionally, go practice safes. Go watch the pro's play safe then try it. You need to get your safety play up to par, and watch your FR go up.

Trust me, I had that issue at one point also.

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

Here's a very serious piece of advice - stop trying to run out the table. Start shooting percentages. What are the chances of cutting that ball in and getting back to the end of the table for the next one, what are the chances of just tapping that ball and ducking for cover and getting BIH.

That is a number one issue for players of your skill level. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Additionally, go practice safes. Go watch the pro's play safe then try it. You need to get your safety play up to par, and watch your FR go up.

Trust me, I had that issue at one point also.

You are on the money buddy.

Truth of the matter is, that’s when I lose my games. After a few stupid safes, I get bored. Unless it’s for money. Im talking playing somebody that just safes to safe. You probably know what I’m talking about. They aren’t safing with a plan in mind. Plan- Like playing safe on the two and putting the 2 by the 3 for their next shot. So they safe on the two. Then I miss. Sometimes intentionally because I know they can’t get the 3 or 4 or whatever because they haven’t planned it out. Then they end up safing on the three or 4 without a plan in mind. All I can say in my head is “wtf!” and I just stop playing at that point

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

Honestly though chili. I do play pretty smart. Usually the only time that I’ll take a low percentage shot on a runout is when I’m on a pack, up a lot, or don’t think my opponents got a chance-sometimes underestimating(very bad habit)

 

[Chili Palmer]

You are on the money buddy.

Truth of the matter is, that’s when I lose my games. After a few stupid safes, I get bored. Unless it’s for money. Im talking playing somebody that just safes to safe. You probably know what I’m talking about. They aren’t safing with a plan in mind. Plan- Like playing safe on the two and putting the 2 by the 3 for their next shot. So they safe on the two. Then I miss. Sometimes intentionally because I know they can’t get the 3 or 4 or whatever because they haven’t planned it out. Then they end up safing on the three or 4 without a plan in mind. All I can say in my head is “wtf!” and I just stop playing at that point

Unless they tell you they don't have a plan, always assume they do.

Start using safes to move balls around to break stuff out, screw up a possible run on their next shot, etc. Excellent safety play is a very serious tool in your pool tool box. Practice it just like you practice anything else, learn how to put the CB behind other balls using the tangent line and speed (the natural line).

Good luck

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

Unless they tell you they don't have a plan, always assume they do.

Start using safes to move balls around to break stuff out, screw up a possible run on their next shot, etc. Excellent safety play is a very serious tool in your pool tool box. Practice it just like you practice anything else, learn how to put the CB behind other balls using the tangent line and speed (the natural line).

Good luck

Thanks Chili. I’m a 700 in my head.

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

And for anybody following the thread. Locking the cb up is usually a better safety than locking the OB up. Remember that. Locking the OB up leaves more routes for your opponent to hit it. Plus makes a kick safe easier. Locking up the cb you are telling them which way they have to go. And it’s a lot harder having to hit over a ball too. Most of the time it’s better…..

 

[wacokid9ball]

When Fargo first came out i was a 720 and had not played in a tournament in 5 years. just APA. After playing in a few local house tournaments i have dropped to a 634, and do not play near that speed. I do not play enough to ever go down enough to give me a real chance in decent size tournaments.

 

[Chili Palmer]

When Fargo first came out i was a 720 and had not played in a tournament in 5 years. just APA. After playing in a few local house tournaments i have dropped to a 634, and do not play near that speed. I do not play enough to ever go down enough to give me a real chance in decent size tournaments.

The struggle is real.

 

[JB Cases]

Not really. I’m saying the games could stay in the system. But it also works backwards sometimes too. In my case I have 450 games in the system. 150 of those are against my buddy. He only has 50 other games in the system. So now he doesn’t play for 2 years and I go up to 600. He’s going up to 550 without playing. Now he gets back into it after those two years and now he’s gotta play tournaments at 550 Fargo., when he’s a 450.

So in that case why can’t he get his rate reset?

That isn't generally how it works. You don't drag your buddy upward.

 

[JB Cases]

No, I’m saying he’s probably around 500 and listed as a 430 fargorate. Against him I am 85 wins 65 losses. Or something like that. He doesn’t have many other games in the system. I only have 450 total. So if I go up to 600 he’s going up to probably 550. Now I’m more into the Fargorate annd an little upset that I gave him a few of the games. You know he’s my buddy so I’m not gonna play him 100% every time. Though, it’s gonna be 100% if we play again

Even if you have him games his Fargo will even out once he plays other people.

 

[Zerksies]

They revamped their system about 2 years ago, and now you can only view data from your current region. It was nice to be able to see my own stats and teams from where I used to live, but now they've blocked all that info (which is stupid IMO).

So your data still exists, you just cannot see it.

That explains alot. I don't care to see the data anyway. I have no desire to join a league ever again.

 

[PNWLocal]

And for anybody following the thread. Locking the cb up is usually a better safety than locking the OB up. Remember that. Locking the OB up leaves more routes for your opponent to hit it. Plus makes a kick safe easier. Locking up the cb you are telling them which way they have to go. And it’s a lot harder having to hit over a ball too. Most of the time it’s better…..

This is great advice and 100% true. I've been learning 1 pocket just to really work on my safety game. If you don't have a high percentage shot/leave, might as well take that opportunity away from your opponent too.

 

[9BallKY]

I’m trying chili! Think that’s why I’m gonna sign up for the pro at super billiard Expo. No way I’m gonna hold back there. Maybe can go up a few points. Plus it’s alternating breaks so I know I’ll get at least two or three games on anybody I play because they won’t have a shot those games! Lolol. Yes, I’m 20% break and run percentage. Anybody want to throw some money on it?

Out of curiosity I checked atlarge stats posted here on AZB and for the last 4 9 ball events the break and run % was 25% 23% 36% and 27% for an average of 28%.

You say you BnR at 20% with a Fargo around 500. Seems like your Fargo would be a lot higher than that. However I know nothing I’m just a banger.

 

[Chili Palmer]

Out of curiosity I checked atlarge stats posted here on AZB and for the last 4 9 ball events the break and run % was 25% 23% 36% and 27% for an average of 28%.

You say you BnR at 20% with a Fargo around 500. Seems like your Fargo would be a lot higher than that. However I know nothing I’m just a banger.

The last time I played BCA the highest rated player (675), had approximately 17 BnR's on the session, I had 8 or 9 I think, the next closest was 5, then it trickled down from there.

I wish I knew how many games we played but it was 4 or 5 a night but I don't remember how many weeks it was. If anyone knows how many games are in a regular BCA season that would help.

FR - BnR's on the season.
675 - 17'sh
600 - 8'sh
500'sh - less than 5

I would be willing to put some money on that 20% number.