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Oh well lost 4-7 scratching on final two breaks. 4 pack at 14 minutes or so. It’ll be up on ghost challenge. 480 running a 4 pack. That’s ridiculous! I know it is, but I don’t lie much man. That was after the xanny 2 beers and a shot finally kicked in. Had to get in the right mindset first.😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
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Willowbrook Wolfy said:
Oh well lost 4-7 scratching on final two breaks. 4 pack at 14 minutes or so. It’ll be up on ghost challenge. 480 running a 4 pack. That’s ridiculous! I know it is, but I don’t lie much man. That was after the xanny 2 beers and a shot finally kicked in. Had to get in the right mindset first.😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Did I miss the video?
 
Willowbrook Wolfy said:
I’ve said it before man. My fargorate around 480 with 450 games. 150 of those Salotto. Other 300 digital pool tournaments. The only people I ever gamble with are typically 550 pluses. Playing almost Anybody up to about a 620 with a lot of robustness I almost always split sets with. Anybody under 550 usually wants a spot to play me.

On top of that, all the tournaments I play are alternating break. I hate alternating break. Im more set up as a B&R player. I get 2 packs consistently in practice(yes making a ball on each break) and after running 1 rack the other guy gets to break in an alternating format. I’ve said this before. Alternating break is a disadvantage for any player that can string multiple racks because of that one point I just made. Especially if their opponent can’t string racks as well. It slows me down a lot of times because there are usually shots between me breaking again, and I’m not super consistent when having to slow down. I like to play fast especially when playing my best. That’s all.

When I’m gambling-winner breaks. I can’t remember a time I’ve agreed to alternating breaks in action.

So here’s another example and maybe it’d be easier to wrap your head around it. I talked to the guy I played against in 9 ball regionals two weeks ago and even though he won I was poking fun at him that I almost beat him after he was up 45-15.

Well he chimed in that wasn’t correct. It was 45-10.He missed. I ran the rest of the rack. (I must’ve started counting after making last 4 that rack) Then broke the 9. Then put up a full 2 pack after. When I was done shooting I had 47 points. I made 37 points in the one time at the table. Since I had pocketed 4 9 balls in the process, I had made 33 balls straight. How many 480’s you know that can make 33 straight balls in 9 ball? So maybe I am a 480, but that doesn’t make it impossible that I B&R a lot. It just means I have a good offense and lose a lot. If I would have opened with a break that’s a 3 pack plus 6 balls on way to a 4 pack. I called it a light 3 pack when I referenced it because of the 9 on the break but technically I put up a 3 pack just going by the number of balls made.

How many 3 packs have you put up at 550? Not saying you have to. Maybe we just have different strengths to our game. Everyone does. I typically put up a 2 pack at least once every 2-3 hours of practice with some other B+R’s and an occasional 3 pack. When I am counting them. Most times I don’t go for break and runs in practice. I spend more time playing banks and 8 ball more because it’s more interesting to me.
I usually open with about 5 to 10 racks of eight ball play maybe 5 to 10 racks and nine ball if that because I don’t even like playing 9 ball. My nine ball practice usually turns into Banks on like the third rack when I miss a ball. Then it’s banks after or taking a shot that I’ve been missing a lot over and over to get better at it . And then I might switch back to eight ball after that. But for some reason everybody at the hall think I’m better at nine ball . I don’t get it. I’m actually way better at 8. Those are my numbers. Take it or leave it. That’s what it is.


I plan to put another ghost race up soon. The landscaping season just started and my table is sitting next to a car that I am changing a cylinder head on right now. So I can’t do it at home. But when I get out and can will post it up for you on your thread.

Btw I can’t remember the last time I had a 4 pack though. It’s been a long time on that feat.
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Still waiting for the video
 
I watched your video and I'll offer a little feedback.

1. You look like you'd be fun to hang out with.
2. It takes guts to post videos of yourself playing. Not many people are willing to do that, and when they do, they'll edit out the bad and highlight the good.
3. Maybe it's just the xanny, beer, and shot, but you'd probably benefit greatly from slowing down a bit.
4. You'd also likely see improvement if you had some sort of PSR. Especially just looking back to the first few games you played.
5. You need to take care of your cueball on the break. You're way too wild, and every time you scratched you robbed yourself of an opportunity to win that game.
6. I firmly believe your low Fargo is a direct result of what I listed above. SVB can run 4-packs all day long, but if he just completely threw away the rest of the games due to negligence, lack of focus, wild cue balls, etc. he'd be below 500 also. Fargo isn't about your best games, it's about ALL your games.
7. You clearly know how to pocket balls, play a little shape, run out, etc. If you want your number up, take control of your game.

***None of this was meant to be disrespectful in any way. Thanks for sharing the video!

Willowbrook Wolfy said:
Oh well lost 4-7 scratching on final two breaks. 4 pack at 14 minutes or so. It’ll be up on ghost challenge. 480 running a 4 pack. That’s ridiculous! I know it is, but I don’t lie much man. That was after the xanny 2 beers and a shot finally kicked in. Had to get in the right mindset first.😂😂😂😂😂😂
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easy-e said:
I watched your video and I'll offer a little feedback.

1. You look like you'd be fun to hang out with.
2. It takes guts to post videos of yourself playing. Not many people are willing to do that, and when they do, they'll edit out the bad and highlight the good.
3. Maybe it's just the xanny, beer, and shot, but you'd probably benefit greatly from slowing down a bit.
4. You'd also likely see improvement if you had some sort of PSR. Especially just looking back to the first few games you played.
5. You need to take care of your cueball on the break. You're way too wild, and every time you scratched you robbed yourself of an opportunity to win that game.
6. I firmly believe your low Fargo is a direct result of what I listed above. SVB can run 4-packs all day long, but if he just completely threw away the rest of the games due to negligence, lack of focus, wild cue balls, etc. he'd be below 500 also. Fargo isn't about your best games, it's about ALL your games.
7. You clearly know how to pocket balls, play a little shape, run out, etc. If you want your number up, take control of your game.

***None of this was meant to be disrespectful in any way. Thanks for sharing the video!
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I'll add... It looked like he had deliberate CB control once, (broke out the 7 ball). Twice within that "4 pack" he nearly screwed himself with haphazard control.

I'm also not purposely trying to be disrespectful. However, the 4 pack appears to be happenstance within a bunch of sub 500 play.

Clearly the potting ability is there. I'm wondering if the skills to manufacturer racks that aren't laid out so cleanly is there though.
 
okay fine i’ll do it.

from wolfy in the ghost thread:


A four pack is a tremendous feat, well done.

Ive never run a four pack, but the one and only piece of advice i would offer is to try harder to keep your head down.
 
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Man. You all are so serious. Thats cool. I like it Thanks for the review guys. I do take them seriously.


This was only in response to people claiming that I couldn’t have an 18% break and run percentage in 9 ball with a 480 fargorate.

Easy. For the record I had the same PSR every shot. It was just at a swift pace. And the pace does slow down a bit when in more serious games. This was just a stupid ghost race.


I literally just threw my cues together and started recording. Started out slow, and then threw up a 4-pack. My video was only to prove a point. I’ve openly stated that usually if I get to the 5 ball, I’m out. I did play bad shape on the 6 twice. The four was just too straight in on one of them. The 7 didn’t go past the 9. So I just hit the 6 real hard. Unlike some people I don’t care about making a shot if the run isn’t there against Mr. Ghosty. Didnt matter if it fell because there was no shot after. The other time I made the shot anyway. I got to the 5 ball 5 times and won 4/5. I also stated that I’m inconsistent. I either run packs or I tend to miss 2/3 in a row. All my video did was prove everything that people have been hating on me about saying. When it’s all 100% true. If I tried hard and showed you all my real game I wouldn’t be Wolfy.😉Why do you think the camera went off after the miss on the 5th rack?

Btw. Somebody mentioned in another thread about focusing too much on past shots. That is what happened on that 5th rack of the run. I overran the 2 ball and was upset about it. Then still played great shape on the 3 right to where i had planned before overrunning the 2 ball. I should have made that 3 ball. But was still upset about overrunning the 2.

Honestly. there really isn’t much there to get an actual skill assessment from anyway. I can tell you off the break if there is a good runout chance or not. It’s pointless to try hard if you already know there is no chance due to the layout. There is no shot on the 2 ball in two of the racks. They should’ve been safeties. I had to send whitey and the 1 at the 3 in the one rack for a break out on the 2 after(it’s hidden above the 5). Neither hit. Then I took another stroke that game in case no one saw the 2 sitting up there. My first 4 racks were a scratch, a miss on my first shot in the first game. And an overrun on the second shot of the match. Then the bad shape on the 6. There was also a missed bank on the 3 ball. Like I said. I didn’t even warm up first. I did scratch 4 times on breaks. And missed that one 3 ball combo on the 9.

The breaks are a problem. The scratching part. I’ve been working on it. The cb movement is part of my break though. It’s more controlled than you might think since it’s based off speed and my break speed is pretty consistent...How many times was there no look at the first ball when I didn’t scratch? And that was with a bunch of different breaks. Mixed it up and had some fun with it. Did you noticed I just rolled the cb wherever more than once and broke from where it sat? The breaks were working pretty good that night. Normally wouldn’t have a look every break even with the best one of them.

JV I did get off shape but only 1 time in that 4 pack. The only other time you might be referring to is on the 1 ball in the 4th rack. I almost scratched. The cb was actually hooked by the 7 and I had to play the swerve. It almost scratched because it had outside on it to make the 1.

So I am taking another ghost race seriously though guys. Going for an 8 ball pro God ghost win. It’s only fair playing the God ghost when on a 7 footer since balls go in on the break more often. Only got 4-7 my first try. Should beat it in about 2 more sets. My 8 ball break and run is around 25-30% when trying. And yes I did state that right. Nobody ever asked. Now that one will get people going. But it’s also true. I hate 9 ball. Maybe im just talking out of my ass now, maybe not……..But if I do post that one I will be more than open for suggestions on how to improve my game. That posted ghost race was essentially just a practice session for me.
 
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Willowbrook Wolfy said:
Well on the fourth rack I did have to curve the cb around the first ball to make the 1 if you are talking about the near scratch as one of those
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Rack 1:
-You needlessly flirt with hooking yourself with the 6 when playing shape on the 5
-You over hit the 5 and track right toward the corner. Not a huge issue because you would have needed to really over hit to sewer, but still
-You fortunately clip the 7 perfectly to give you BIH shape. You miss on that low side and you end up real flat and need another recovery for the 9

Rack 2:
-You track the CB toward what seems your fav pocket to sewer in while breaking...lol ;) Clearly you have an issue with how your striking the break.
-Once again, needlessly flirt with another hook on the 4 with the 9.

Rack 3:
-slash on 2 w/ kick on 3 somehow manages to miss 9/7 traffic and turn out about as good as anyone could have prayed for...lol
-Probably you best shot of the run on the 4 ball to break up the 9/7 that I'm not entirely sure needed breaking up. Hard to tell, but a tad thicker on that 7 and your hooked solid. Ideally your aiming for the 9 not the 7

Rack 4:
-You move back to your typical break spot and again track toward that top corner with straight draw.
-solid out otherwise

After reviewing the 4 pack again, I don't see the near sewer in the side I had remembered. Probably one of the other racks that you didn't complete.

I really want to say that I'm being hyper critical because I believe there's more value in it, then blowing smoke. I know exactly how difficult it is to post your efforts for all to see. Kudos for doing so. You have more balls than the vast majority on this forum that claim a great game. That said, I stand by my earlier assessment.

Good shooting
 
The_JV said:
Rack 1:
-You needlessly flirt with hooking yourself with the 6 when playing shape on the 5
-You over hit the 5 and track right toward the corner. Not a huge issue because you would have needed to really over hit to sewer, but still
-You fortunately clip the 7 perfectly to give you BIH shape. You miss on that low side and you end up real flat and need another recovery for the 9

Rack 2:
-You track the CB toward what seems your fav pocket to sewer in while breaking...lol ;) Clearly you have an issue with how your striking the break.
-Once again, needlessly flirt with another hook on the 4 with the 9.

Rack 3:
-slash on 2 w/ kick on 3 somehow manages to miss 9/7 traffic and turn out about as good as anyone could have prayed for...lol
-Probably you best shot of the run on the 4 ball to break up the 9/7 that I'm not entirely sure needed breaking up. Hard to tell, but a tad thicker on that 7 and your hooked solid. Ideally your aiming for the 9 not the 7

Rack 4:
-You move back to your typical break spot and again track toward that top corner with straight draw.
-solid out otherwise

After reviewing the 4 pack again, I don't see the near sewer in the side I had remembered. Probably one of the other racks that you didn't complete.

I really want to say that I'm being hyper critical because I believe there's more value in it, then blowing smoke. I know exactly how difficult it is to post your efforts for all to see. Kudos for doing so. You have more balls than the vast majority on this forum that claim a great game. That said, I stand by my earlier assessment.

Good shooting
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Haha. Thanks JV. I can tell by your assessment that we play the table a bit different. And the near scratch to the side was the fourth rack when I had to swerve the cb
 
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Willowbrook Wolfy said:
Haha. Thanks JV. I can tell by your assessment that we play the table a bit different. And the near scratch to the side was the fourth rack when I had to swerve the cb
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Oh for sure... many ways to skin this cat. The only thing I'm confident in is my way is most probably not the best way...lol. Arm chair quarter backing w/ the power of hindsight makes everyone flawless.

I would suggest you rethink your approach to the break though. Clearly a hole in your game.
 
The_JV said:
Rack 1:
-You needlessly flirt with hooking yourself with the 6 when playing shape on the 5
-You over hit the 5 and track right toward the corner. Not a huge issue because you would have needed to really over hit to sewer, but still
-You fortunately clip the 7 perfectly to give you BIH shape. You miss on that low side and you end up real flat and need another recovery for the 9

Rack 2:
-You track the CB toward what seems your fav pocket to sewer in while breaking...lol ;) Clearly you have an issue with how your striking the break.
-Once again, needlessly flirt with another hook on the 4 with the 9.

Rack 3:
-slash on 2 w/ kick on 3 somehow manages to miss 9/7 traffic and turn out about as good as anyone could have prayed for...lol
-Probably you best shot of the run on the 4 ball to break up the 9/7 that I'm not entirely sure needed breaking up. Hard to tell, but a tad thicker on that 7 and your hooked solid. Ideally your aiming for the 9 not the 7

Rack 4:
-You move back to your typical break spot and again track toward that top corner with straight draw.
-solid out otherwise

After reviewing the 4 pack again, I don't see the near sewer in the side I had remembered. Probably one of the other racks that you didn't complete.

I really want to say that I'm being hyper critical because I believe there's more value in it, then blowing smoke. I know exactly how difficult it is to post your efforts for all to see. Kudos for doing so. You have more balls than the vast majority on this forum that claim a great game. That said, I stand by my earlier assessment.

Good shooting
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Since I was the one who was giving him crap I did watch the video, but it’s been a few days so I don’t remember to many specifics. I do agree with your assessment though. Best I remember his cue ball was pretty erratic and he did get a couple of fortunate rolls but he did run a 4 pack.

I’m not anybody who can tell anyone how to play I need to learn myself. I’m still working on my own game.
 
The_JV said:
I would suggest you rethink your approach to the break though. Clearly a hole in your game.
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hard to tell in the video but the very first thing i saw was his bridge hand on the break. looks like the thumb might be on the wrong side for a traditional rail bridge?
sorry if i saw it wrong
 
The_JV said:
I would suggest you rethink your approach to the break though. Clearly a hole in your game.
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Oh man. I have never seen so many people so critical about a 480’s break before. You can’t have it both ways guys. I should leave it at that, as a funny, but will explain something to you all.

You don’t understand the point of the break. I was playing the pro ghost. You need a look at the first ball to win. I had a look at the first ball 14/18 times. The only time I didn’t was on the breaks I scratched on. And I used multiple breaks. Thats the most important. It wasn’t just 1 break. I’ll use what is working the best when in a real game. Usually. Here’s something a lot of you don’t know. You can actually gear your break if you move the cb some and want the same break. But it requires English. Sometimes a lot of it. Would you rather have a look at the first ball 10-18 times without any scratches, or 12-18 scratching a few times? When mines hit right I rarely scratch and it makes balls. But having a look at the first ball every single time in the video was a bit lucky. Oh and if you are following I just gave you a hint how to create your own breaks.

Even worse would be having a break that you get a look at the first ball but don’t pocket anything. What’s the difference between that and scratching?

Now with alternate break it matters even less if I scratch on my break sometimes against normal opponents . My breaks have a lot of hours involved in creating them. I’ll take 12/18 making a ball and having a look at the first ball over 8-18 any day of the week. and satisfying the 3-point rule and break from the box with the ones from the middle when needed.

So yes I wasn’t breaking the best in the video but the benefits out way the downfalls for me right now. If im going to be playing 700’s all day it could use some work for obvious reasons though. But against even 650’s it’s not the worst thing in the world. I still win sometimes.

And I do understand what you all are saying on some other things. I wouldn’t have taken the time to write this up if I didn’t. I took all that advice into account. I know I slack off on the table too without an opponent, but didn’t realize how badly until watching the video. Now I record a little of each session. So thanks for that guys!
 
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Willowbrook Wolfy said:
Oh man. I have never seen so many people so critical about a 480’s break before. You can’t have it both ways guys.
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I think a 480 that can run a 4-pack is just an intellectual curiosity. “And maybe has run 4-in-a-row a time or two” is literally a phrase in the Fargo 600 description.

I’m a 450 so per the Fargo App you’d only spot me one rack in a race to 7…..and I’ve come close to a 2-pack….once.
 
Justaneng said:
I think a 480 that can run a 4-pack is just an intellectual curiosity. “And maybe has run 4-in-a-row a time or two” is literally a phrase in the Fargo 600 description.

I’m a 450 so per the Fargo App you’d only spot me one rack in a race to 7…..and I’ve come close to a 2-pack….once.
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Not to talk the guy down or be negative, but it was also on a kids table. Always good to see energy and enthusiasm in abundance. Obviously passionate about the game. Hope he can fine tune and work out some kinks and love the game even more.

I've been playing 9-ball for around a year, and have run 4+ racks a handful of times, and only when using the side break format with one on the spot. I've beat 'pro ghost' in a race to 7 in this way, from the side. I can only beat the 'standard ghost' with the nine on the spot and from the box MR style (got close to the 'pro ghost' in this format when I was being a little creative with the racking).

I've played a little 9-ball on the haggard valley at my local dive bar (the vomit, piss and sweat stained one with toothpick house cues that I posted about a while ago - saw two 4am vultures eating some spilled McD's fries from it last week haha), and I would say it's an infinitely easier prospect to run out, and makes the game a bit of a joke. Player has the foundation to get on the adult tables and think about controlling that whitey.
 
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