Fargo crew for the win!!
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Match is a game according to FR, he lost 2-zip(22games) in 11 events. in a row. We're saying the same thing. I don't think the bars/td's are to blame. Its not their job to police this crap. The guy that runs the events at 727Club is a stand-up guy and td. IMO its up to FR and their fancy computer to catch these anomalies. Other people do this, not so blatantly tho, to try to keep their FR just a point or two inside the number for certain tournaments. Another Tulsa nit did this, got his FR down, flew all the way to Fla for a big 600&under tourn and got lazered two-n-out. I loved it. Another nit down.
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No one ever said that. It can happen but it takes losing a bunch to lower players which rarely happens. FR's computer should be able to spot these obvious results of pure fuckery. Maybe i'm oversimplifying catching these turds but surely it can be done. 99% of the FR stuff in Tulsa area goes off without a hitch. Just takes a couple jerkoffs to fk it up.
At one time SP could flat play. Beat a lot of good players at 8b. What's sad is he knows how to run out but likes that jerkoff safety crap. Yrs ago i quit in the middle of a match at FriendlyTavern 'cause one game was taking over a fkng hour. total bs.
Yeah no the nerd nuts say that all the time that it can’t be done
even tho I see it in my town happen ALL the time
And I’ve got screen shots
One last thing on FR: these insane Salotto matches should NOT be allowed in any rating system. You think there's room for bullshit in a tournament how about two people getting together in someones gameroom??? WTF???? Only tourn./league matches should count and there has to be a way to red-flag the kind of shit Steve Page pulled here in Tulsa. When someone loses that many games to players well below their FR red lights/bells/horns should go off at Fargo HQ.
I agree. There's no way to totally stop rating manipulation. The blatant stuff should be caught by FR's computer imo. Not up to bars/TD's to police this stuff. None of the clubs in question here were 'in' on Steve Page's bs AFAIK.
Its not perfect. We got it. Don't like it, don't play. Go play in all those non-existent open events. We all like open tourn's but the reality is they don't draw well as a rule. A few do but they are rare. Average players are not going to pay to get roasted by people they have ZERO chance to beat.
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640 isn't a world beater and age related decline can happen rapidly.
In spite of all the people who know this guy to be an ass it's possible these results are unrelated to his antics.
Blaming a bunch of TDs on facebook rivals anything I have thus far heard about the player for nittiness.
Some things have explanations you're not expecting that are valid so instead of going off half cocked maybe some more thorough investigation is warranted?
I know fargorate has a big ego though so maybe not.
In spite of all the people who know this guy to be an ass it's possible these results are unrelated to his antics.
Blaming a bunch of TDs on facebook rivals anything I have thus far heard about the player for nittiness.
Some things have explanations you're not expecting that are valid so instead of going off half cocked maybe some more thorough investigation is warranted?
I know fargorate has a big ego though so maybe not.
A big 'NO'. This was unadulterated dumping. He was losing to players WAY below his rating. As i said above i put no blame on the bars/TD's but squarely on super-nit Page. Been around this guy for over 30yrs. Shit like this is right up his alley.
It’s easy af to manipulate your rating to rob smaller ones is what I’m saying
Idgaf I play in everything
So...in 11 tournaments in a row he went 2-and-out? You have 22 games inserted in parentheses in the quote above.
Are you saying that he is playing in tournaments where the race is to ONE on the winner's and loser's side? This is the only way a player could go two and out in 11 tournaments and only have played 22 games is races to one.
In eleven tournaments there should be a LOT more than 22 total games played. Isn't Fargo calculated by how many games you have won or loss in the overall total of those that are reported? Or as you said above, a match (won or lost) is considered a single unit (like one game)? So, in Fargo, only winning or losing a complete MATCH is all that matters, and not how many games that match entails?
Am I getting close to getting this?
And please, excuse my confessed ignorance. I know little about Fargo and don't really care to try to understand it. I'm just trying to wrap my aging, senile head around what's going on here in this post.
I'm sorry. My bad. He went 2-n-out in 11 events. I'm off on the game count, sorry. He lost 22 straight MATCHES. Do not know what game count was in each match. Mike Page didn't list the full scores. FR is based on games won/lost.
Actually I think the Salotto matches could help catch sandbaggers. Golf handicaps can give you a red flag or “T” handicap if your tournament results don’t square with your score history right? So if you have lots of Salotto games in your rating and your tournament results are consistent with a player 100 points higher, well it seems like your FargoRate should get adjusted 100 points higher and all your Salotto results discarded. Easier said than done I guess.
I think it is good this was noticed. I am a fan of FargoRate and any handicapping or rating system needs ways to detect those who manipulate it. Ideally you combine the math and people who know the players. Sounds like this guy has a reputation locally.
It’s like he’s trying to play a 1 pocket game and tactics in rec league 5 man team 8 ball . The sum of those 25 games should take about 2 hours. Unless you’re playing his team. Then you might be calling in sick tomorrow morning.
So 11 events, 22 matches, and a minimum 44 games in a row lost assuming the lower fargo opponent was only going to 2. And fargo just now flagged that? How are multiple venues and TD’s supposed to find this without fargo’s tools? More importantly, how’s fargo just now catching it? Why’d Mike/fargo let it go on for 11 events? Because 10 would be stupid?
No clue. Someone may have narc'd him to Fargo.
Big congratulations to the Fargo crew for catching one out of the many thousands of players who are openly sandbagging their ratings. 
Maybe it's time to stop punishing the establishments and actually make an effort to fix this very broken system......... like removing Salotto matches from Fargo altogether.
Maybe it's time to stop punishing the establishments and actually make an effort to fix this very broken system......... like removing Salotto matches from Fargo altogether.
I kinda see your point but the whole idea of private matches being included just doesn't jibe with me.Actually I think the Salotto matches could help catch sandbaggers. Golf handicaps can give you a red flag or “T” handicap if your tournament results don’t square with your score history right? So if you have lots of Salotto games in your rating and your tournament results are consistent with a player 100 points higher, well it seems like your FargoRate should get adjusted 100 points higher and all your Salotto results discarded. Easier said than done I guess.
I think it is good this was noticed. I am a fan of FargoRate and any handicapping or rating system needs ways to detect those who manipulate it. Ideally you combine the math and people who know the players. Sounds like this guy has a reputation locally.
Yeah I can see why. I guess I just think about golf where most of the rounds included are private non tournament play. Different games I guess. Theoretically handicap committees are super to watch for abuses but they can’t catch everything. Any system has to rely on integrity and honest effort to some degree. But we know that has its limits. So where the records and math catch very unlikely results I see it as a good thing.