Are any carbon fiber shafts low deflection?

[Jaden]

All CF shafts are lower deflection than a 13mm maple shaft.

But deflection (low or not-so-low) is not what makes or breaks you liking a shaft.

Not any where NEAR close to true. The majority of CF shafts out there are based onblanks from a single supplier from taiwan or china and are massively high deflection.

The CF shafts that are verified LD are Revo, Cuetec and some Becue. I haven't been able to confirm any others and don't trust most people to be able to evaluate a shafts LD characteristics correctly.

I have designed several shafts, including carbon fiber and have gotten blanks from various sources. Most of the blanks out there are incapable of being LD. I did have some high levels of success using a straight taper CF tube, but almost no one wants to play with a straight taper.

The most success I've had was with a straight CF tube as a hybrid on a wooden tapered base. I've liked that shaft better than any other I've played with. Even using a 6mm CF core down the center of it adding to its end mass, it is still quite LD with a 14-14.5" pivot point.

Jaden

 

[fish2]

Just buy a Whyte Carbon or Bull carbon and buy different inserts for different cues.

Can't use CF as I am not comfortable using a glove.

 

[TrxR]

Can't use CF as I am not comfortable using a glove.

Why would you need a glove using a CF? I find the CF far less sticky than wood shafts. Have never used a glove in my life playing pool.

 

[garczar]

Why would you need a glove using a CF? I find the CF far less sticky than wood shafts. Have never used a glove in my life playing pool.

The Rhino is slick as hell. No need for a glove unless the conditions are super humid/sticky.

 

[garczar]

Not a chance in hell. And not a chance in hell in the low deflection wood era. To each his own

My Rhino 12.9 was VERY close to a 12.9 Revo. the difference was/is TINY. The Cuetec 12.5 is very lo-squirt. all the smaller(under 12mm) cf shafts are super lo squirt. Predator isn't a magic elixir shaft. Every cf shaft i've tied has been a lot lower in deflect than wood with the Pred Z shaft being the exception. I just can't stand skinny/conical shafts of any type.

 

[fish2]

I live in a tropical country

Why would you need a glove using a CF? I find the CF far less sticky than wood shafts. Have never used a glove in my life playing pool.

The Rhino is slick as hell. No need for a glove unless the conditions are super humid/sticky.

 

[garczar]

I live in a tropical country

i hear ya bro. oklahoma in the summer time gets tropical level of humidity.

 

[TrxR]

The Rhino is slick as hell. No need for a glove unless the conditions are super humid/sticky.

Wouldn't the CF still be less sticky than a wood shaft under those conditions?

 

[ChrisinNC]

Can't use CF as I am not comfortable using a glove.

Less need for a glove with a CF shaft.

 

[garczar]

Wouldn't the CF still be less sticky than a wood shaft under those conditions?

Yep. Big time. I never used one on my Rhino.

 

[fish2]

If it is less sticky why is it that most of the pros on TV use a glove?

 

[Mensabum]

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My friend has an inexpensive CF shaft and it deflects more that my Predator 12.9 Vantage shaft, tried the Predator Revo 11.8 and 12,4 and these have less deflection than my Vantage shaft

I own 5 diff CF shafts.
Must be lucky bcuz I had to adjust from deflection aiming to none - overnight. Took a few weeks, but got it.figured out. Once you learn how your equipment reacts and plays, deflection or no shouldn't matter. Takes an adjustment period but no deal breaker. Perhaps you got a bad one?? Or several?? Lol.

 

[Jaden]

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I own 5 diff CF shafts.
Must be lucky bcuz I had to adjust from deflection aiming to none - overnight. Took a few weeks, but got it.figured out. Once you learn how your equipment reacts and plays, deflection or no shouldn't matter. Takes an adjustment period but no deal breaker. Perhaps you got a bad one?? Or several?? Lol.

Greatly depends on what techniques you use. A feel player, absolutely. Adjust or not. I've seen many feel players that just can't quite get the feel for it. A player that uses BHE or FHE, it WILL matter for because the cue's pivot point changes.

I am currently using a CF shaft on my Jacoby custom that is SUPER high deflection. PP is at about 7.5". Impossible to really use BHE with. I've been toying with using just draw, follow and speed control for most shots and switching to my custom shaft cue when I really need to use side spin.

Jaden

 

[TrxR]

If it is less sticky why is it that most of the pros on TV use a glove?

It seems most pros use a glove no matter what shaft they use. I just know in my experience the CF is less sticky .

 

[Patrick Johnson]

... I don't have to aim as far out to get as much spin ...

It might seem that way when you angle the cue a different amount, but you have to hit the CB on the same spot to get the same amount of spin no matter how much squirt there is. Angling cues differently for different squirt amounts just ensures the cue's squirt-altered force into the CB is always parallel with the CB's intended direction, as if always hit with the same squirtless cue.

pj
chgo

 

[mikemosconi]

Why are you using different cues?

Some people are cue collectors and / cue aficionados in addition to enjoying playing the game. I am within this group. We appreciate everything that goes into making a great looking and great playing cue. Any hobby revolves around the word passion - when you understand that term, you understand cue collecting well.
If one collects cues at least in part for the appreciation of various cue maker playing characteristics - then one will play with multiple cues - I currently have 10 or so cues - this is common among collectors in any collecting venue,

 

[Mensabum]

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Dennis Hatch played with one of Andrew's carbon playing shafts last weekend, and bought one that same day. He said it deflected less than any shaft he'd ever used, and he was able to aim straight at a ball with extreme spin.
http://www.anglincues.com/

I haven't tried one, but Dennis was super stoked on it.

I seen to be able to do pretty much the same thing w any cf shaft I have. But I play mostly center table angle and speed for shape. Hopefully don't need to load up and launch those full table high right or left english shots that require adjustment for deflection. Solves that problem for the most part.

 

[Sealegs50]

I haven’t been caught up in the race for lowest deflection. But when they come out with shafts that provide better speed control so I can stop hooking myself, I’ll be all over them.

 

[Mensabum]

I haven’t been caught up in the race for lowest deflection. But when they come out with shafts that provide better speed control so I can stop hooking myself, I’ll be all over them.

I'll take 2!!!

 

[Kim Bye]

Some people are cue collectors and / cue aficionados in addition to enjoying playing the game. I am within this group. We appreciate everything that goes into making a great looking and great playing cue. Any hobby revolves around the word passion - when you understand that term, you understand cue collecting well.
If one collects cues at least in part for the appreciation of various cue maker playing characteristics - then one will play with multiple cues - I currently have 10 or so cues - this is common among collectors in any collecting venue,

Yup! I agree 100% with your post. Appreciating the craftmanship and differences is part of the fun.
This whole thread just highlights for me how confusing the term low deflection is.
The first thing we should ask ourselves is: What's a standard deflection shaft and what's the level of squirt we set as a minimum threshold for calling a shaft Low Deflection. @iusedtoberich claims Revo (without saying which model..) is the shaft with the lowest deflection. My first question is: Have you tried every shaft on the market? Secondly why is no one talking about the fact that very low deflection comes with other issues and these things should be considered as a whole. If the goal is to make the lowest deflection possible, that's not that difficult, but how does the shaft feel and is it durable are considerations we should include in the discussion.