Fargo Caps = The dumbing down of pool

iusedtoberich

iusedtoberich

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Fargo Caps = The dumbing down of pool

Have at it. I think I'm going to make this my signature.

Especially when every TD in the whole country makes them all the same pretty round number of 599.

-Excludes anyone who can play worth a damn.
-Makes the same group of people, nationwide, the favorites.

*I'd say the exact same thing if I was a 599.

TD's, if you MUST have a cap, make it RANDOM each event!
OR, even better, just allow EVERYONE to play, and handicap by game spot.

A capped tournament 1000% IS a handicapped tourneament, because it excludes all the better players. That's the handicap.
 
I wonder how much clustering there is underneath the 500, 600, and (less important) 700 levels. 495 and 595 are the places to be.
 
No, I think the caps are ok for some events. Not all. And I agree that it doesn’t make sense to have the cut off the same all the time. It is ok to have different events, open, handicapped, cut offs, etc…. They don’t all have to be the US Open. Get players at all levels competing and vested in the sport. That helps everyone. Every event a 599 cut off doesn’t do that. Neither does $500 entry open.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Fargo Caps = The dumbing down of pool

Have at it. I think I'm going to make this my signature.

Especially when every TD in the whole country makes them all the same pretty round number of 599.

-Excludes anyone who can play worth a damn.
-Makes the same group of people, nationwide, the favorites.

*I'd say the exact same thing if I was a 599.

TD's, if you MUST have a cap, make it RANDOM each event!
OR, even better, just allow EVERYONE to play, and handicap by game spot.

A capped tournament 1000% IS a handicapped tourneament, because it excludes all the better players. That's the handicap.
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Much like the rest of life. If you want the biggest audience, appeal to the idiots and incapable.

Was it Schopenhauer who said that?
 
i see the op's point but go try to run an event with 675's and up allowed. you get really shitty turnouts. that's just a simple fact. go announce a FR event that's uncapped and see how many you get. i predict not that great. the split fields are the way to go imo. these get BIG turnouts and some, like the one's in Birmingham, pay out stupid money.
 
You didn't get enough responses on this post where you suggested the 599 split?
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SA96 said:
Fargo caps are a model based on redistribution.

If there were no Fargo caps, people would be more incentivised to do better.
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All sounds so idyllic. Go run an event or two and get back with us. I'm really hoping you're just joking and not really so melodramatic. A LOT of tournament goer's are recreational players that don't want to go and just be dead-meat cannon fodder. There are more people playing pool tournaments now than in maybe 30+ yrs and FR is why. don't like the system don't play.
 
garczar said:
i see the op's point but go try to run an event with 675's and up allowed. you get really shitty turnouts. that's just a simple fact. go announce a FR event that's uncapped and see how many you get. i predict not that great. the split fields are the way to go imo. these get BIG turnouts and some, like the one's in Birmingham, pay out stupid money.
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Are you referring to open (no cap or handicap of any kind)?

I’m referring to if a tournament is handicapped, the “capped” method is assinine, for many reasons.

Birmingham is handicapped by games and let’s legit top pros in the field.
 
alphadog said:
You didn't get enough responses on this post where you suggested the 599 split?View attachment 789930
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The analogy of that thread:

Big poker tournament. 10 tables, each has 8 players. Everyone puts up the same cash and gets the same chips. Tables 1-9 advance the winner of each table to the next round.

Whereas table 10 advances all 8 players to the next round.

Who has better money odds going in?

That’s what a split bracket with an uneven distribution does.
 
SA96 said:
Fargo caps are a model based on redistribution.

If there were no Fargo caps, people would be more incentivised to do better.
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Communists tend to develop talent better. But with selection and redistributed money going to the state youth sports committee or whatever.

No cap tournaments sort of model communism when there is social pressure for the non elite to donate to the elite. Granted, it is based on skill, but you seem to think the best players have a right to a handout from the bad ones.

Obviously some sarcasm there. It isn’t a communist thing. There is a free market for entertainment. People can decide it is fun to play Fargo capped events. It isn’t a tragedy or somehow stunting pool if an amateur plays fun events. Buys equipment. Supports pool rooms. That kind of thing. If enough people do it, maybe some have kids who turn into elite players. To develop that talent is a different type of thing.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Are you referring to open (no cap or handicap of any kind)?

I’m referring to if a tournament is handicapped, the “capped” method is assinine, for many reasons.

Birmingham is handicapped by games and let’s legit top pros in the field.
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All i know is there are a bunch of FR events in the midwest and many(most?) are capped and get good fields. Uncapped often means 'small field', not always but a lot. The big thing around here is 1200 and under scotch doubles events. I know a couple workin stiffs that have made about 30k apiece this yr. playing them. Good fields with calcuttas.
 
iusedtoberich said:
The posters missed my point on that one. This one is a different point.
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Do you even know what your point was??

There are many trnmnts that run split brackets until the finals then it's race to your handicap.

Also the 578 trnmnt you played wasn't 599 or did I miss your point?
 
alphadog said:
Do you even know what your point was??

There are many trnmnts that run split brackets until the finals then it's race to your handicap.

Also the 578 trnmnt you played wasn't 599 or did I miss your point?
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Yes. I know my point. That thread the point was "if the distribution of number of participants on the lower split and the higher split do not match, the split with the lower number of players has an inherent advantage due to money odds". This has zero to do with what the spot is, or "where" the split is. It is solely that the number of players do not match.

This thread is completely different. The point of this thread is "capped events exclude and punish good players" and, "IF there is a capped event, the cap should be randomized each time, so the same very small group of players don't get the benefit each event, all over the county", and, "I know handicapped events are necessary for participation. The game (or ball) spot method makes it roughly even odds for each participant, rather than favor those tiny fraction of players between 595 and 599 nationwide"

Completely different points, and yes, I understand them quite well. Do you?
 
alphadog said:
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Also the 578 trnmnt you played wasn't 599 or did I miss your point?
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I have not played the 578 event yet, it is next year, and the entry fee is 1000. I contacted that TD, and praised him publicly on his TD page for randomizing the cap, and not making it the same number as 599 like everyone else. He is making his events different each time.

If the cap is randomized each time, it's way better. Do you not see that?
 
garczar said:
All i know is there are a bunch of FR events in the midwest and many(most?) are capped and get good fields. Uncapped often means 'small field', not always but a lot. The big thing around here is 1200 and under scotch doubles events. I know a couple workin stiffs that have made about 30k apiece this yr. playing them. Good fields with calcuttas.
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Doubles events with a cap are fair, because there could be 100 teams within 5 points of the cap. A 710 can pair with a banger. Or two mid level players. etc. It's easy to assemble that many teams. That's why they are so popular, because every team has a fair shake at it.

Contrast that with individual entry capped events, and only the players immediately under the cap have the big edge.
 
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