Searing.

When I see Will Prout having issues with a cue maker it makes me realize the depth of the situation at hand.

Will’s reputation is as good as it gets to disrespect someone of his ilk should be an enormous red flag for anyone and everyone.

IMO it’s time to make copies of all communications associated with your claims and take legal action..

I do not believe tha social media shaming will produce the results people are hoping for.

JMO
 
Quesports said:
When I see Will Prout having issues with a cue maker it makes me realize the depth of the situation at hand.

Will’s reputation is as good as it gets to disrespect someone of his ilk should be an enormous red flag for anyone and everyone.

IMO it’s time to make copies of all communications associated with your claims and take legal action..

I do not believe tha social media shaming will produce the results people are hoping for.

JMO
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Actually, many with just as respectable reputations have been saying this about said cuemaker for years. But some, including this OP, have stood up for Dennis. Even going so far as to shame and make fun of the complainers who were having trouble with Dennis’ business practices. The real irony here is now the OP is the one getting screwed over….. Nut-hugging doesn’t pay 👍🏼
 
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cueaddicts said:
Actually, many with just as respectable reputations have been saying this about said cuemaker for years. But some, including this OP, have stood up for Dennis for years. Even going so far as to shame and make fun of the complainers who were having trouble with Dennis’ business practices. The real irony here is now the OP is the one getting screwed over….. Nut-hugging doesn’t pay 👍🏼
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It’s a sad situation Sean. His talents as a builder are fabulous but his ability to manage a business are abysmal.
That is apparent to all now…
 
I have lived around a lesser world of pool for a lifetime. The cuemakers and repairers whom I have dealt with through the years have, to a person, treated me incredibly well. I had very little exposure to the world of high-end, collector cues until I became a regular participant in AZB's forums. I suppose it was just the level of places I played in and the folks I hung out with -- our discussions focused on cues that played well.

My exposure to all of the rest of it has been unsettling. I know I am probably seeing only the bad side but what I see is not very attractive. What I cannot fathom is how these bad eggs have been allowed to continue in the business.
 
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same as any business, people are basically fools. they can read bad reviews of a car mechanic then take it there and complain how they got ripped off.
most bad businesses go out of business but some limp along with the owner not caring if he just gets by.

anytime a business works out of their garage you instantly know they are either brand new or dont care about expanding.
add some bad reviews and you become the sucker for even calling them.
 
FeltyFran said:
All my cues go to Dennis for maintenance, I own a Searing and am fortunate to have it. He'll talk pool for hours when you're in his shop. Don't know the OPs situation but I know Dennis to be a stand up guy.
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It is admirable to support and defend people you like. However, the preponderance of complaints about Searing go uncontested or disputed. A man that does not defend his integrity and honesty when assaulted obviously is going to
be portrayed very badly. Based on the posts and details of what’s happened, Searing is not someone to respect nor
trust. People rave about his cues but IMO, he’s really overrated but much more importantly, he’s not anyone to trust.
Cue makers are people and let’s face the truth. Building a nice cue doesn’t qualify you automatically as a nice person.
Generally, one’s actions, or in this instance Searing’s inactions, speaks louder and clearer than any excuses afterward.
 
Quesports said:
When I see Will Prout having issues with a cue maker it makes me realize the depth of the situation at hand.

Will’s reputation is as good as it gets to disrespect someone of his ilk should be an enormous red flag for anyone and everyone.

IMO it’s time to make copies of all communications associated with your claims and take legal action..

I do not believe tha social media shaming will produce the results people are hoping for.

JMO
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Prout is the man when it comes to cue collecting. If he has a problem, then it's clearly so.
 
Is there any update from the OP? To me it now seems like a late night ranting full of sound and fury signifying.....
 
SBC said:
Prout is the man when it comes to cue collecting. If he has a problem, then it's clearly so.
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He’s done more for pool behind the scenes than many know. His passion for all the aspects of the pool industry sets him apart from most everyone.
To think any cue maker would have the audacity to take advantage of his generosity is beyond my understanding of people.
It’s contemptuous as much as it’s sad.

It’s not about the money but the utter lack of respect and decency. I would not want one of his cues for free. They have no value to me whatsoever..
 
Bavafongoul said:
It is admirable to support and defend people you like. However, the preponderance of complaints about Searing go uncontested or disputed. A man that does not defend his integrity and honesty when assaulted obviously is going to
be portrayed very badly. Based on the posts and details of what’s happened, Searing is not someone to respect nor
trust. People rave about his cues but IMO, he’s really overrated but much more importantly, he’s not anyone to trust.
Cue makers are people and let’s face the truth. Building a nice cue doesn’t qualify you automatically as a nice person.
Generally, one’s actions, or in this instance Searing’s inactions, speaks louder and clearer than any excuses afterward.
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"Building a nice cue doesn’t qualify you automatically as a nice person"

I could not have said it better myself. This statement holds true to many aspects of life. I come from a motocross background, and the similarities are incredulous. It seems the faster you are on a dirt bike, the more intelligent you become, regardless of what spews from your mouth. Pro MX riders can get away with most anything and their fanbase will let it slide because of their speed on a motorcycle, I do not get it.
 
yes but if you have paid for one of a famous cue maker cues that doesn't deliver you still can say you own one of his cues even if you never receive it.
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and you see a world famous maker even if he makes a custom ornate one, if you did not pay in advance and didn't take it , he could sell it in an instant anyway. so paying in advance is just him living off your money while you wait for nothing.
 
cueaddicts said:
Actually, many with just as respectable reputations have been saying this about said cuemaker for years. But some, including this OP, have stood up for Dennis. Even going so far as to shame and make fun of the complainers who were having trouble with Dennis’ business practices. The real irony here is now the OP is the one getting screwed over….. Nut-hugging doesn’t pay 👍🏼
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Sean -

While I have to admit when a nut hugger gets ripped off by the holder of the nuts, it kinda makes me smile.

A couple other thougths on some of the comments. Frankly, I understand the comments about Will Prout, but honestly I am less concerned about him than I am of the guy like most of us that dont have huge bankrolls getting ripped off.

Another comment mentioned, "It isnt amount the money but the principle of the thing." If anyone ever says that its really about the money.

I got ripped off by Showman and later learned this wasnt a isolated case, but his common practice. When I posted about me getting ripped off I had no less than 10 people message me that it happened to them too. After getting a lawyer, I got my money back. But his nut huggers continue on this site.....oh well.

Ken
 
classiccues said:
This entire industry needs an exorcism.

JV
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When I think of how many unscrupulous people I and my friends have come across, I have to agree.

One in Chicago comes to mind… Like others he’s a great guy but you only buy a cue from him if he can put it in your hand immediately!!
 
Quesports said:
When I think of how many unscrupulous people I and my friends have come across, I have to agree.

One in Chicago comes to mind… Like others he’s a great guy but you only buy a cue from him if he can put it in your hand immediately!!
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Would that be Mr. Old?
 
Any business person who takes deposits and is not 100% pro active in keeping those paying customers continuously informed of
Updated changes in delivery times is a deadbeat or at the least a very poor business person.

Good business people do not continue to take deposit money and orders from customers under undeliverable time frames.

Good business people either suspend taking new orders and deposits until they are caught up to realistic quotes on delivery times or they get reliable help to catch up to existing and future orders.
I am facing one of these possible negative situations right now with a well known active cue maker - I hope that he resolves it to my satisfaction or I will soon begin public exposure of his name and my situation with him- hoping that it does not get to that point.
 
mikemosconi said:
Any business person who takes deposits and is not 100% pro active in keeping those paying customers continuously informed of
Updated changes in delivery times is a deadbeat or at the least a very poor business person.

Good business people do not continue to take deposit money and orders from customers under undeliverable time frames.
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Good people do that, Good business people make the amount they need to make, in the fastest, most ruthless way possible. 'Customer Service' only exists in order to support future interests. He clearly doesn't have those when his name is elevated as such. I wonder how many Chinese have cues on order from him... I bet a few, given the price of them (and the few I can see on Xianyu right now).Pool cues have gone the way of JP snooker cues, loads of customs bought up here to then be re-sold on different platforms.
 
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