I played 30 years and never seen a ball slop in the side like the one that got Krause on the hill.
Too many rolls today. I can't say that Europe played any better.
FSR is just awesome. When he gets going he's unreal.
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Too many rolls today. I can't say that Europe played any better.
FSR is just awesome. When he gets going he's unreal.
With who do tell??Everyone knows Shane sucks at the MC, but like I said earlier the only way he doesn't make the team is if he volunteers not to play. He's going to be a top ranked American as long as he keeps playing for at least the next 5 years.
Okay, maybe there's one other way. Emily could step in and replace him.
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Man I wanna give you the 7 out and the breaks just to torture you
You'd think a pro would know how to hit that high and bring the cue up to avoid all chance of a double kiss?
Mickey called foul on himself when Marcel did not see it. Kid is too honest. He shouldn't be a politician or pool player
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What I saw, in the very few matches I had the opportunity to watch, were superior European players taking advantage of whatever opportunity the table, or their opponent, offered.
The American team *obviously* lacked skill in shot selection, and safety and position play. And I know it will sound crazy to many, but I attribute that to two factors: not playing enough 14.1 (yes, you heard that right) and not spending extensive time practicing safety play.
That's it.
The Americans are great shot makers and good with general position play but as Nietzsche said, "The devil is in the details."
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The American team *obviously* lacked skill in shot selection, and safety and position play. And I know it will sound crazy to many, but I attribute that to two factors: not playing enough 14.1 (yes, you heard that right) and not spending extensive time practicing safety play.
That's it.
The Americans are great shot makers and good with general position play but as Nietzsche said, "The devil is in the details."
Lou Figueroa
So you gonna put a junior up versus a top Euro and expect better results?????
I don't know for sure if you're an american, but you're an american heroHey @Fatboy , your boy out here doing work!
It was the least I could do, the camera lady deliberately ignored me on the side, so I made it happen!
Emily on FB is teasing a big WNT sked in 2025, and says MR needs a bigger presence in the U.S. via an interview with Dogginit.
Said this new WNT.TV is the future and will be accessible from anywhere. Possible DAZN replacement? Couldn’t tell.
Dogginit also had an interview with team Europe. Never saw Kaci smile, joke and talk so much. The players were thrilled.
Niels Feijin on Facebook also had this to say: "
Crazy how anxious I can still get watching it cause all the memories come back from all the highs and also lows.
Experienced all the emotions in that event
Enjoy it everybody!!
Said this new WNT.TV is the future and will be accessible from anywhere. Possible DAZN replacement? Couldn’t tell.
Dogginit also had an interview with team Europe. Never saw Kaci smile, joke and talk so much. The players were thrilled.
Niels Feijin on Facebook also had this to say: "
Crazy how anxious I can still get watching it cause all the memories come back from all the highs and also lows.
Enjoy it everybody!!
My new life goal.Emily on FB is teasing a big WNT sked in 2025, and says MR needs a bigger presence in the U.S. via an interview with Dogginit.
Said this new WNT.TV is the future and will be accessible from anywhere. Possible DAZN replacement? Couldn’t tell.
Dogginit also had an interview with team Europe. Never saw Kaci smile, joke and talk so much. The players were thrilled.
Niels Feijin on Facebook also had this to say: "
Crazy how anxious I can still get watching it cause all the memories come back from all the highs and also lows.Experienced all the emotions in that event
Enjoy it everybody!!
Sweat one mosconi with Neils
Okay, it's over and I can get some rest. The final score looks just like the scores we've been seeing for years now. So nothing new there. The US had their chances on Days One and Two to tie the score or escape only one down after two days, but they failed in the clutch moments. They had one more chance to pull it to 6-8 at the end of Day Three, but failed once again and it ended at 9-5 instead. At that point their chances were somewhere between slim and none. Day Four became a mere formality.
I want to say a couple of things before analyzing any of the last three matches. Team Europe had four Elite level players, all of whom had won major tournaments and performed at the top of the game for years. Team USA had two such players, both of whom underperformed here. Skylar is a very good player but he is not one I would call Elite level. For fear of sounding too much like my friend Stu I will tell you what I feel separates players like him (the good) from the elite players. The top level guys simply have superior thought processes that subsequently lead to better shot choices and better safety play. That showed up here in glaring display. Add on the very best players kick a little better, jump a little better and have a little better cue ball control, and then you begin to see the whole picture. That's why they are champions and a lot of very good players can't seem to get there in the end. These guys know how to win!
About the rolls. I've been hearing this refrain forever and it's a hoax! The best players get the rolls! Do I need to say that again? It's true. It has a lot to do with how they strike the cue ball on certain shots, how hard they hit it and what they are trying to do. They give themselves chances to get lucky! And yes, sometimes it works and they can wave their hand at their opponent again. Match after match, Skylar came to the table looking at the object ball some distance away with balls in between. He could either jump or kick to hit it. He actually did a good job of hitting most of them, but you won't win many matches having to shoot shots like that all day.
In match one, Jayson vs. Skylar we saw a blowout, 5 zip! I hope you were paying attention because it aligns with what I just said above. Jayson Shaw is a great shot maker, but he is also is a damn good pool player. That's why he keeps on winning again and again. He is a smart player, a very smart one. He plays excellent safes, kicks accurately and put the cue ball exactly where he wants it most of time. As good as Skylar is, he is overmatched against Jayson. And it really showed up here.
In match two Gorst came out swinging and for the first time looked like the world champion he is. Before you knew it the score was 4-0 and it looked like it was all but over. It all started with him getting careless on the six ball in what should have been the final game. He got bad shape and chose to play a difficult combo from the six to the seven. Inexplicitly he slammed the shot and missed badly. He still got one more chance to win the game but blew that too. So now it's 4-1. No big deal right. But it was a big deal. Gorst had lost his mojo. A weakly played safe by Fedor led to Krause being handed game six. 4-2 now. Game seven, Gorst ties himself up on the three ball hits a weak shot and fouls. Krause runs out with BIH. 4-3! Game eight was amateur hour by both players until Krause shits out by lucking the eight in three rails after missing and double banks the nine. 4-4 and the mismatch has become a nightmare for Gorst. In the final game Krause had a chance to win but hits the three poorly (it goes in) and gets too close to the four ball. It's a touchy little shot that he fouls on. The ref is out of position and misses the call. Krause calls it on himself! Fedor limps over the goal line, looking like a wounded puppy.
The last match of this years MC pits Captain Skylar against Francisco Ruiz. Good vs. Elite if you will. It's a back and forth match and each time he wins a game he plays it up for the pro US crowd. That struck me as odd, considering they were down 10-6 in the match. Not much to be celebrating about imo. Let him win the match and then he can raise his hands in triumph. Skylar had a chance to win in game eight when leading 4-3, but he opted to go for a bank on the three that he misses. Even if he had made it he had no good shot on the four. What he overlooked were good options to play safe and tie Ruiz up, and yes, WIN THE MATCH! Isn't that the object of the game? Or is having fun with the crowd more important? Francisco wins the game for 4-4. In the last game Francisco makes a nicely handled break and run to take the match and the Cup 5-4. Those last two games are a microcosm of why he is an elite player and Skylar is not. At least not yet.
What started out as a very exciting MC, ended up with a dismal end. The better team won.
I want to say a couple of things before analyzing any of the last three matches. Team Europe had four Elite level players, all of whom had won major tournaments and performed at the top of the game for years. Team USA had two such players, both of whom underperformed here. Skylar is a very good player but he is not one I would call Elite level. For fear of sounding too much like my friend Stu I will tell you what I feel separates players like him (the good) from the elite players. The top level guys simply have superior thought processes that subsequently lead to better shot choices and better safety play. That showed up here in glaring display. Add on the very best players kick a little better, jump a little better and have a little better cue ball control, and then you begin to see the whole picture. That's why they are champions and a lot of very good players can't seem to get there in the end. These guys know how to win!
About the rolls. I've been hearing this refrain forever and it's a hoax! The best players get the rolls! Do I need to say that again? It's true. It has a lot to do with how they strike the cue ball on certain shots, how hard they hit it and what they are trying to do. They give themselves chances to get lucky! And yes, sometimes it works and they can wave their hand at their opponent again. Match after match, Skylar came to the table looking at the object ball some distance away with balls in between. He could either jump or kick to hit it. He actually did a good job of hitting most of them, but you won't win many matches having to shoot shots like that all day.
In match one, Jayson vs. Skylar we saw a blowout, 5 zip! I hope you were paying attention because it aligns with what I just said above. Jayson Shaw is a great shot maker, but he is also is a damn good pool player. That's why he keeps on winning again and again. He is a smart player, a very smart one. He plays excellent safes, kicks accurately and put the cue ball exactly where he wants it most of time. As good as Skylar is, he is overmatched against Jayson. And it really showed up here.
In match two Gorst came out swinging and for the first time looked like the world champion he is. Before you knew it the score was 4-0 and it looked like it was all but over. It all started with him getting careless on the six ball in what should have been the final game. He got bad shape and chose to play a difficult combo from the six to the seven. Inexplicitly he slammed the shot and missed badly. He still got one more chance to win the game but blew that too. So now it's 4-1. No big deal right. But it was a big deal. Gorst had lost his mojo. A weakly played safe by Fedor led to Krause being handed game six. 4-2 now. Game seven, Gorst ties himself up on the three ball hits a weak shot and fouls. Krause runs out with BIH. 4-3! Game eight was amateur hour by both players until Krause shits out by lucking the eight in three rails after missing and double banks the nine. 4-4 and the mismatch has become a nightmare for Gorst. In the final game Krause had a chance to win but hits the three poorly (it goes in) and gets too close to the four ball. It's a touchy little shot that he fouls on. The ref is out of position and misses the call. Krause calls it on himself! Fedor limps over the goal line, looking like a wounded puppy.
The last match of this years MC pits Captain Skylar against Francisco Ruiz. Good vs. Elite if you will. It's a back and forth match and each time he wins a game he plays it up for the pro US crowd. That struck me as odd, considering they were down 10-6 in the match. Not much to be celebrating about imo. Let him win the match and then he can raise his hands in triumph. Skylar had a chance to win in game eight when leading 4-3, but he opted to go for a bank on the three that he misses. Even if he had made it he had no good shot on the four. What he overlooked were good options to play safe and tie Ruiz up, and yes, WIN THE MATCH! Isn't that the object of the game? Or is having fun with the crowd more important? Francisco wins the game for 4-4. In the last game Francisco makes a nicely handled break and run to take the match and the Cup 5-4. Those last two games are a microcosm of why he is an elite player and Skylar is not. At least not yet.
What started out as a very exciting MC, ended up with a dismal end. The better team won.
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That’s so cool!Hey @Fatboy , your boy out here doing work!
It was the least I could do, the camera lady deliberately ignored me on the side, so I made it happen!
The whole International Make the 5 Ball Orange Movement thanks you for you tireless work and dedication! When we do prevail and the problem is corrected and we can claim Victory it’s because of people like you and your dedication. We need to put this screen grab into the archives which document our efforts.
Thank you on behalf of all of us who are fighting the good fight.
MT5OA Best
Fatboy
You would fold up like a lawn chair.
Zero chance.
League pool kills real pool period and in every way. Soulless and all so a league operator can turn a dime. Has nothing to do with real pool. Getting some grandma to be your APA 2 isn't gonna lead to our next captain's pick.
Great summary Jay.
One thing I’d like to elaborate on it the over celebration after each rack by everyone. It’s probably a good thing for making it a fun exciting show for people who don’t play pool, and an embarrassment for those who do.
Most likely a net gain for audience retention, but torture to watch as a player. I’m all about having fun and celebrating, but not when you’re buried in the event. Pretty soon they will have to have a longer shot clock so they can slap a round of high 5’s after each shot…..
I suppose if it’s good for the show, it’s good for pool.
The better anyone plays the luckier they get. No doubt about it!
Was another great year, thanks Jay for your well written and accurate post show analysis, I look forward to it again next year!
I saw Stu in the audience, that was cool.
The MT5OA loyalists were out in force. We will get the orange 5 back again and restore order in the pool world
Thx Jay!
Best
Fatboy
I said this a thousand times about Matchroom Refs especially John L and Marcel. They are do busy looking for clothing fouls instead of correct position to see ball hits and reactions.
Well something we can almost agree upon. It's not league pool but more the bar box and vending pool (8-Ball) that hurts USA. In the UK at least the bar tables have tight pockets that require a degree of precision. In mainland Europe it's all Big Table games. Do you see anyone of them with goofy strokes that don't hold up?
OK, enlighten me please. What is the answer?