About half a dozen.
Mosconi Cup 2024, Nov. 30-Dec. 3, Orlando
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You can view them this way, but the population of all of Europe more then doubles the population of the United States.
I don't want to knock Sky, but that misplaced 7 ball in the last doubles match on Day 2 just killed the USA's chances. Even more obvious in retrospect. He just didn't take his time and rushed his shot.
No way Alcaide, FSR or Kaci does something like that.
Going into Day 3 tied 5-5 would have been huge.
No way Alcaide, FSR or Kaci does something like that.
Going into Day 3 tied 5-5 would have been huge.
Badpenguin
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It isn't the European Union, or Jayson couldn't play. It is the continent of Europe. MC predates EU.
Edit: EU predates the MC by one year, my error.
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Badpenguin
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Someone obviously missed the memo. Most of America is aligned with Russian interests now, and assorted other petty dictators.
Pissflitsche
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So when you're looking for only five (5) capable players to compete well in the MC, you really think there's a significant difference between a pool of 330 million people to 730 million?
Badpenguin
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Of course there is. The pool of Asians is twice of Europeans, and look how that went for Europe in the Reyes Cup.
Nothing can probably save the US at this point though. The culture is too different from both Asia and Europe.
Depends on how you define significant but yeah, almost doubling your pool of potential candidates will likely yield a more consistently strong 5 person team when averaged out over time.
Now, any specific year could go the other way, but overtime having a larger talent pool will likely yield overall greater talent. Add to that one of our top players, SVB, notoriously struggles in the MC. He keeps getting in because he's that good in just about every other tournament format, but MC is unique and he's just not a strong performer there. So that means we have one consistent player who doesn't do well at MC taking up one of our spots year after year and now we have 4 left to fill with a smaller talent pool that needs to be good enough to help make up for that deficit.
I'd love if SVB was an asset at MC, big fan of his, but this format just doesn't seem a good fit for him.
Badpenguin
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It is an automatic $20-$40K for him, he would be an idiot to pass it up.
Oh yeah, I don't think he should pass it up, he earned his spot and the right to play. But....his performance is often not a help to the US side.
I like SVB and every year I hope he defies is historical MC record and plays the way we know he can. But he's better at long solo races and the short race to 5 and team aspect of MC just don't tend to work well for him.
Every year there is the same argument about the population size of Europe and the USA and some people think that this is the reason why the USA has lost another MC.
Sooo...
1. I take a guess here, but I think the population of Spain, Scotland, Denmark and Albania combined is around 65 Million, enough to beat 335 Million Americans.
2. Albania, Austria and Scotland will be around 17 Million people and I wonder what Kaci, Ouschan, He, Lechner and Shaw would do to a US team in a MC Setting
3. As a side note EU and Europe isnt the same, EU is older than the MC and by the way I think we could switch Shaw with Mark Williams from Wales, to bring down the population count for Europe to maybe 15 Million. Would be in the spirit of Matchroom to throw in a snooker player and the MC wouldn't be so onesided.
4. There are many reasons why the USA players have been a step behind the Europeans in the MC for the past 10 years, but population count is not one of them.
Sooo...
1. I take a guess here, but I think the population of Spain, Scotland, Denmark and Albania combined is around 65 Million, enough to beat 335 Million Americans.
2. Albania, Austria and Scotland will be around 17 Million people and I wonder what Kaci, Ouschan, He, Lechner and Shaw would do to a US team in a MC Setting
3. As a side note EU and Europe isnt the same, EU is older than the MC and by the way I think we could switch Shaw with Mark Williams from Wales, to bring down the population count for Europe to maybe 15 Million. Would be in the spirit of Matchroom to throw in a snooker player and the MC wouldn't be so onesided.
4. There are many reasons why the USA players have been a step behind the Europeans in the MC for the past 10 years, but population count is not one of them.
Did they suddenly make babies like rabbits in the 90's? Because back then USA put a boot in their butts.
But see, now you're cherry picking from those that were selected. You're only going to ever end up with 5 (or less) countries once the selection process happens.
If we use the European country to US state rough equivalency then we still have a similar gap. So now take that state by state in the US and you have South Dakota, Kentucky, Ohio, Wisconsin and Indiana. Total population 29,089,000.
I'm not saying population is the only or even the biggest factor, but it's a factor that I don't think should be ignored or discounted. Especially in the way you're trying to.
You are mistaken about the continent of Europe being the only place players are drawn from.
The United Kingdom which includes Scotland, became part of the European Union and you are correct about MC predating the EU, however the United Kingdom which Matchroom Sport belongs to, has always had players representation as its founding country.
I’ve been to and filmed many MC’s
Badpenguin
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Badpenguin
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That was my point about Jayson, he isn't from an EU country, the UK withdrew from the EU. But I was wrong on the MC predating the EU, the EU started in '93, MC in '94.You are mistaken about the continent of Europe being the only place players are drawn from.
The United Kingdom which includes Scotland, became part of the European Union and you are correct about MC predating the EU, however the United Kingdom which Matchroom Sport belongs to, has always had players representation as its founding country.
I’ve been to and filmed many MC’s
Correct. American pool has been popular and has always been here, especially after tables were put on every military base and Brunswick focused on home table sales.
Our problem(pool’s problem) is/was, infrastructure and marketing.
However, much of that is changing, albeit slowly.
We have players, we need coaches who knows how to bring out our players strengths.
We won in 2018 & 2019.
Why?