Commentaries on Streaming Pool Matches.

Hi People!

So, I always try to make my threads positive sounding but this may be an exception.

I have been watching a lot of pool being streamed of late and the standard of commentary (announcing as it is more commonly known in the USA) is to put it mildly, largely atrocious.

Of note:

1. Guys just having an ongoing conversation with their co-commentator. Whether you need two commentators for pool is questionable and if you do, you both need to be disciplined and realize each others strengths and weaknesses. One adopts the role of play by play and the other summarizer.

2. Pool is a visual game, we do not need to be told what we can see or constantly guessing what the next shot will be.

3. Related to #2, silence is golden. Let the match breathe a little bit in your broadcast.

4. Yes this can be tough when there is one or two cameras and it is being done live but an understanding of riding the emotional wave of a match can be done much more effectively with a Director who understands single player sports. A great example...a players misses an important shot...a very brief comment from the announcer and then if you have a spare camera, move it to the player who just missed and capture their face as they look back at the table, the announcer can them very briefly reset for the next player coming to the table.

5. Save stories and anecdotes about the tournament, the venue, the players for when there is a break in play.

6. Rehearse an introduction, remember underplaying the intro gives you the room to expand your commentary.

7. When a player is celebrating, let the pictures do the talking. You can say a lot more with five words at such a time than with fifty.

8. Have sponsors shoutouts tightly scripted and then don't go into a conversation about how great the sponsors product is for the next five minutes.

9. Research...always have plenty of it done but realize dropping in stats and suchlike is there to just add flavor, not be a driving factor in broadcasts.

If you have read this far you may say: "Well, who the hell are you to say this?" I actually commentate on horse racing for a living. Most weeks of the year you can hear me on Fanduel TV in the USA or Sky Sports Racing in the UK commentating on horse racing. I was lucky to grow up in the late 1980's and early 1990's and be around commentators from various sports and learn first hand from them.

If anyone ever needs an announcer for their pool event if someone pulls out or such like, I would be willing to give it a go and help in any way I can.

Feel free to disagree. believe me having punters shout at you every day when you did not call their horse first over the line, I am used to broadcasting criticism!

Cheers,

Craig
 
It's awful.
#2 -#3 x 1000

You would think it would get better but every new stream is worse.

I hope you can take your experience and spread the good news!
 
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While I do believe you have some valid points and criticisms, I for one appreciate the commentary on the level of Matchroom/WNT streams. I love pool and I can watch it in person no problem but I just can't seem to sit in front of my tv and stay engaged with a match without some audio commentary that isn't really bad. And there is some really bad commentary out there, but some of it is at least decent enough in many cases and I appreciate the effort to give me something to listen to.

There are even some local streams around the WI area with amateur local commentators but they do a solid job all things considered.

There have been some women's pool streams lately where I just couldn't with the commentary, often it was "guest" commentators or these long drawn out asides that made me turn it off.

Better commentating across more streams would certainly be welcome though!
 
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I appreciate your points. I did not mention names as it would be unfair to do so. I know how difficult commentating can be and especially if you are doing it as a hobby and your main work in life is away from broadcasting and journalism, it can be even tougher. Many moons ago when I was a teenager, snooker commentator, Clive Everton gave me a great piece of advice that I pass on to all the young guys who want to be broadcasters today. "Read and understand how drama works and get work as a journalist covering anything." In 2025, that advice is a little dates, there are far less paid journalist and writer positions then there was when I was growing up. But I also think it was very much a dog eat dog world then and as an eighteen year old I almost had to fight for thirty seconds airtime! The internet has changed all of that.
 
I just hit the mute button when I can’t take it or understand the language. But to be honest, there are a ton of little nuggets of wisdom and strategy in the commentary that I appreciate. Pool is such a specific game that finding a pro player that is also a pro commentator seems a challenge. There is also the, what appears to be, lack of a director/broadcast coordinator in the production side of the house. So, again, when all else fails? Mute!
 
Thanks for this thread. Some really good advice here. I'm a professional spox in my real life, and recently I've started dabbling in commentating some local pool. It is a big change from talking-head to commentator. Watching some others on YouTube, the fear of silence seems to overwhelm them sometimes. I think this is pretty natural, but important to overcome if one wants to be successful.
 
When there are many unrelated parties providing the same product, the products are likely to be of varying quality.

So you get what we see here today...
 
Thanks for this thread. Some really good advice here. I'm a professional spox in my real life, and recently I've started dabbling in commentating some local pool. It is a big change from talking-head to commentator. Watching some others on YouTube, the fear of silence seems to overwhelm them sometimes. I think this is pretty natural, but important to overcome if one wants to be successful.
Yes, even in sport like horse racing where action is constantly happening, my best race calls are where I slow everything down just a tad and knowing the value and duration of a quiet "beat" in the action can sometimes make all the difference. Email me: britishracecalelr@gmail.com if you ever want to discuss aspects of commentating. Happy to help in any way and exchange ideas.
 
I just hit the mute button when I can’t take it or understand the language. But to be honest, there are a ton of little nuggets of wisdom and strategy in the commentary that I appreciate. Pool is such a specific game that finding a pro player that is also a pro commentator seems a challenge. There is also the, what appears to be, lack of a director/broadcast coordinator in the production side of the house. So, again, when all else fails? Mute!
From 1938 there is a BBC Television memo that states it is far easier to teach a professional broadcaster about a sport to a broadcast level with a disciplined director than it is to find an athlete who truly can become a great broadcaster. I think all sports today demonstrate that but its like a dirty secret few will admit!
 
You may be confusing television with streaming, they are two very different animals. One is going extinct, the other is not. Professional broadcasting is going the way of the dodo, whether that is a good or bad thing is up to you.
 
You may be confusing television with streaming, they are two very different animals. One is going extinct, the other is not. Professional broadcasting is going the way of the dodo, whether that is a good or bad thing is up to you.
Watch more snooker. Very professional. (The only place M Price is tolerable)
 
Hi People!

So, I always try to make my threads positive sounding but this may be an exception.

I have been watching a lot of pool being streamed of late and the standard of commentary (announcing as it is more commonly known in the USA) is to put it mildly, largely atrocious.

Of note:

1. Guys just having an ongoing conversation with their co-commentator. Whether you need two commentators for pool is questionable and if you do, you both need to be disciplined and realize each others strengths and weaknesses. One adopts the role of play by play and the other summarizer.

2. Pool is a visual game, we do not need to be told what we can see or constantly guessing what the next shot will be.

3. Related to #2, silence is golden. Let the match breathe a little bit in your broadcast.

4. Yes this can be tough when there is one or two cameras and it is being done live but an understanding of riding the emotional wave of a match can be done much more effectively with a Director who understands single player sports. A great example...a players misses an important shot...a very brief comment from the announcer and then if you have a spare camera, move it to the player who just missed and capture their face as they look back at the table, the announcer can them very briefly reset for the next player coming to the table.

5. Save stories and anecdotes about the tournament, the venue, the players for when there is a break in play.

6. Rehearse an introduction, remember underplaying the intro gives you the room to expand your commentary.

7. When a player is celebrating, let the pictures do the talking. You can say a lot more with five words at such a time than with fifty.

8. Have sponsors shoutouts tightly scripted and then don't go into a conversation about how great the sponsors product is for the next five minutes.

9. Research...always have plenty of it done but realize dropping in stats and suchlike is there to just add flavor, not be a driving factor in broadcasts.

If you have read this far you may say: "Well, who the hell are you to say this?" I actually commentate on horse racing for a living. Most weeks of the year you can hear me on Fanduel TV in the USA or Sky Sports Racing in the UK commentating on horse racing. I was lucky to grow up in the late 1980's and early 1990's and be around commentators from various sports and learn first hand from them.

If anyone ever needs an announcer for their pool event if someone pulls out or such like, I would be willing to give it a go and help in any way I can.

Feel free to disagree. believe me having punters shout at you every day when you did not call their horse first over the line, I am used to broadcasting criticism!

Cheers,

Craig
For your reading pleasure. Start after the photo of the pool dawg and me:

 
For your reading pleasure. Start after the photo of the pool dawg and me:

Outstanding! Thank you for sharing your interview!
 
One of my favorite commentators was Justin/JCIN back in the TAR days. And he was only there to fill in for commentary most of the time!

He’d go minutes without talking. Didn’t over analyze and just sorta kept it about the entire match rather than a shot by shot running commentary.

Made watching the match a completely different experience and you wound up focusing on the playing more.
 
If you have read this far you may say: "Well, who the hell are you to say this?" I actually commentate on horse racing for a living. Most weeks of the year you can hear me on Fanduel TV in the USA or Sky Sports Racing in the UK commentating on horse racing. I was lucky to grow up in the late 1980's and early 1990's and be around commentators from various sports and learn first hand from them.

If anyone ever needs an announcer for their pool event if someone pulls out or such like, I would be willing to give it a go and help in any way I can.


Cheers,

Craig
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The fact that you did it for a living means you had some training and were paid. Many or most of these people do it for little or no Money and did not grow up with the privilege of being around professional commentators. When the game was on ESPN there was a very high standard, but the commentators were also well paid, not some podcaster who loves the game, but might also like the attention and their on voice.

Room for improvement, for sure and when theres more Money in the game the improvements will follow.
 
-you say it is ‘largely atrocious.’

i don’t disagree

-you mention commentary and then
point out that in USA it is announcing

certainly ken doherty in the commentry box
is different that jeremy jones in the booth


but we are all different and some people prefer blondes and some brunettes

some people live in the mountains and some in the city

cues and tips too, we could argue all day about what’s the best but it’ll never be true for everyone

some people love steak rare, other people say the best is well done and then there are the vegetarians

i love listening to grady mathews but his lisp is horrible and makes me wonder why nobody ever told him about it?

maybe it’s just me, my problem not his

and if incardona says the word ‘elect’
one more time i’m hitting the mute button

but maybe he actually talked like that i don’t know maybe the bartender asked him hey what are you drinking? and he said-
‘i elect to consume one draft lager and a shot of silver tequila at this time.’
 
Nothing is more annoying than listening to two in the booth that have never played pool in their life. Sometimes they have a guest announcer in the booth that has never seen a pool table. "Do you think he's going to combination the 9?" "Probably not, the 9 is at the other end and the 1 is at this end." "Perhaps he'll elect to jump?" "No, Mike Zuglan doesn't allow jump cues at this event." We know which streams we have to mute.
 
i've gotten used to pool commentary being talkier than other sports, but there are definitely some streams that are unlistenable.

slightly off topic but i've noticed that many pinoy streams are in english sprinkled in with tagalog. is that because they have different languages, so english is like a lingua franca between tagalog and cebuano?
 
i've gotten used to pool commentary being talkier than other sports, but there are definitely some streams that are unlistenable.

slightly off topic but i've noticed that many pinoy streams are in english sprinkled in with tagalog. is that because they have different languages, so english is like a lingua franca between tagalog and cebuano?
Wondered about this. It does seem MCs often toggle log (koff koff) between English and whatever they were saying. I think it's probably style since English is so prevalent.

Commentary - as long as they supply insight I usually listen even if they're just anecdoting. Most of the play is standard runouts with nothing to sweat anyway. If OTOH, the match is top flite and they keep guessing wrong, the sound goes off so I can sweat in peace.
 
For your reading pleasure. Start after the photo of the pool dawg and me:

Wonderful interview. Thanks for sharing your passion with me.
 
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