made in the early 1970's by national i think palmer was making them for national. its hard to remember as i bought it off the wall in a room for like ten or 15 bucks for bar playing. i always will have also an old conversion cue in my vehicle. for pool rooms. old cues dont warp if they dont get wet.
Your thoughts on outrageous cue prices
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There are NO Magic Cue, years ago in Arizona the guy who won all the Big Tounments played with McDermott Merry Widow, and LePro Tip.
Skill is what win at Pool not a Cue.
Custom Cues are pricy because they are a time consuming to build. There is a difference between a production Cue, and something Custom.
Skill is what win at Pool not a Cue.
Custom Cues are pricy because they are a time consuming to build. There is a difference between a production Cue, and something Custom.
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Pretty much the same critter. Just don't tell nobody.
I share your opinion about wood shafts and I’d to suggest that if you haven’t tried a Kielwood shaft, you may be overlooking a big change in maple shafts. The only other thing I’d suggest is try using Renaissance Wax for your wood shaft. When the Museum of a Natural History uses it for on wood artifacts and rare picture frames and such, you can bank on the product being reliable and very useful. I’ve used it for years and it really is better than any cue wax available in the USA.I went back to wood after using CF for almost 2 years after coming back to this game. Nothing against CF, it allowed me to envision deflection and other terms I was hearing that weren't mainstream when I stopped playing.
I went back to wood bcuz I enjoy the feel and feedback of wood. CF seemed dead to me. There's no resonance in CF compared to wood. I learned to play with deflection. Never considered it a problem until I started playing again and everyone was trying to eliminate it. Lol.
LD everything!!!
Why??
I don't see players trying to eliminate Massès. What's the difference , only on a smaller scale.
Players have gotten lazy. They want the cue to do all the work. It's called Stroke for a reason. You got it or you don't. Otherwise they'd call it cueing, or some such BS.
I need to find me a hobby.
In my defense, still digging out from a foot of powder and below-Zero temps roun' hea'!!
Cabin feeva.
Like Rabies for poolplayers.
Craftsmen Cues in England made a better product but it is a hassle to get any shipped. I tried becoming a distributor but they weren’t interested in expanding to the USA because of shipping damage during hot weather causing the issue wax to melt. It does not reconstitute so the wax is rendered useless. I ordered 2 dozen cans and they all were ruined.
I received a refund and afterward they decided it was not worth the hassle. I used to only get a couple cans during the winter season but it became so popular with my friends, I placed a large, expensive order and it was ruined. That’s how I eventually switched to Renaissance trying to find a equivalent substitute after first trying all the other crap sold in the USA. Renaissance Wax is all you’ll ever need…..2 sizes….65ml and 200 ml. I have so many cues, I get the 200ml size on eBay.
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The kids and grandkids will never appreciate orEverything is cyclical. Markets fluctuate. Prices are the cure for prices. With pool cues, it's a tough call. Will there always be a niche market for high end cues? Probably. My guess is that as the generations of folks who appreciate high end cues pass on, that market will potentially shrink. As younger folks with less disposable income become the norm, they will likely trend towards the players type cues, carbon fiber, etc. Anyone's guess, and I could be wrong.
cherish our cues as we do. We know the history. There's a provenance with our cues. Blood sweat and tears went into some of them and the youngsters are clueless unless we besige them with tales of old. Even then there's a disconnect. They can't understand.
So imo, they will wind up selling Daddy's cues or Grandaddy's cues bcuz the attachment just ain't thar. Something got lost along the way.
I had a part time cuemaker in Pennsylvania, a long time AZ member, make me a 32", 14mm monster Kielwood that is now my Daily. I am in love w this bad boy!!
I didn't know wood could play like this. Opened my eyes fo sho!!
Btw... I use only pure Carnauba on my shafts. No chems or solvents, denatured alcohol, polymers, etc... Pain in the ass to work with, but the results are outstanding and long lasting. In case you didn't notice, I'm Anal about my gear.
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Try finding some old growth AAA maple nowadays for a 4 oz plus Shaft!! Good luck. Chicken teeth.Not to mention some wood species are no longer available period! What type of price do you put on BRW, Brazilian Tulip..etc, etc. And yes, for someone to purchase a lathe like I use today they're going to pay a minimum of 3 times the price for the lathe and tooling invested that I had out of pocket. IMO...there's nothing wrong for a guy just getting started (if the work is of a high quality) to be able to recoup and make a profit on their product.
Go anywhere these days to have your car, truck, RV, boat or whatever worked on and you're looking at 150 to maybe as high as 275 per HOUR shop time PLUS parts and shop supplies.Yet everyone wants a qualified cue mechanic to only make 5-10 dollars an hour.
It's times like this, when I am reminded of the immortal words of Sir Dave Barrenbrugge.<---A great man, Cue-Maker, and Philosopher.
"There are three types of people in this world. Those that get it, and those that don't."
My Wife, and my Chidren, all think I'm nuts when it comes to my gear, and it's condition. They just don't seem to share the same passion for the equipment...The kids and grandkids will never appreciate or
cherish our cues as we do. We know the history. There's a provenance with our cues. Blood sweat and tears went into some of them and the youngsters are clueless unless we besige them with tales of old. Even then there's a disconnect. They can't understand.
So imo, they will wind up selling Daddy's cues or Grandaddy's cues bcuz the attachment just ain't thar. Something got lost along the way.
Scoundrels, I tell you! Scoundrels!
Oh, we recognize an ass just fine, pal.I had a part time cuemaker in Pennsylvania, a long time AZ member, make me a 32", 14mm monster Kielwood that is now my Daily. I am in love w this bad boy!!
I didn't know wood could play like this. Opened my eyes fo sho!!
Btw... I use only pure Carnauba on my shafts. No chems or solvents, denatured alcohol, polymers, etc... Pain in the ass to work with, but the results are outstanding and long lasting. In case you didn't notice, I'm Anal about my gear.
J sort of like the old joke: dear Lord, please don't let my wife sell my cues for what I told her I paid for them.The kids and grandkids will never appreciate or
cherish our cues as we do. We know the history. There's a provenance with our cues. Blood sweat and tears went into some of them and the youngsters are clueless unless we besige them with tales of old. Even then there's a disconnect. They can't understand.
So imo, they will wind up selling Daddy's cues or Grandaddy's cues bcuz the attachment just ain't thar. Something got lost along the way.
Agree completely, most everything I see here is over priced.
put in or near your will what you have and what you want done with it and if sold about what it is worth.
or your cue may go in the rummage sale of all your stuff. ill be looking for it.
Real estate markets are more than double due to investment firms buying up all the residential property, and withholding a good portion of it off the market, to both drive up rent, and home values, due to scarcity. This is a extreme example of how markets can be manipulated, and that the market is not necessarily always self-regulating. ***holes with money can often find a way to sabotage the natural control mechanisms that Adam Smith liked to tout.
This has nothing to do with the cue market of course, as that is a nonessential good. With the state of the cue market though, I am pretty sure I will be playing with my two Schon cues for the rest of my life.
Looking at Cues For Sale on Forum, think unless a seller is sitting on something very special.
It’s a buyer market, unlike years ago.
It’s a buyer market, unlike years ago.
big firms cannot buy up enough to seriously affect the real estate market. thats a fallacy repeated often enough to be adopted.
it would only increase more building in that area or nearby. anytime old starts approaching new. new gets built quickly and will bring down the value of older.
it would only increase more building in that area or nearby. anytime old starts approaching new. new gets built quickly and will bring down the value of older.
Yeah.. That's what you "say"... But the real data says something different - https://jacobin.com/2024/05/single-family-homes-rentals-wall-street
"Driven by the pandemic-era real estate boom, corporate landlords are ramping up their purchases of assets like apartment buildings and mobile home communities nationwide. They’re especially active in fast-growing Sun Belt markets like Phoenix and Atlanta, where more than a third of homes on the market are now being purchased by private equity firms like Blackstone or dedicated single-family rental companies. Even Amazon founder Jeff Bezos has entered the single-family housing market."
Do you realize what a massive number that is? One THIRD of all homes on the market being bought by investment firms? You can dismiss the issue all you like.. But the simple truth of it is our children/grandchildren cannot afford to buy homes in this market, with the wage stagnation in America right now.
You sound like an older person with a home you have had for a while, that is insulated from what is actually going on in the market, or someone with enough money, that an extra 100,00-200,00 in price doesn't make that much of a difference.
So what are you telling me? Good thing I may have some ratholed?Try finding some old growth AAA maple nowadays for a 4 oz plus Shaft!! Good luck. Chicken teeth.
Old growth is a little overhyped IMO. First thing is the term old growth needs to be defined. What is considered OG? 20 years old? 40 years old? 50-100 years old? There is no magic in how old the wood is. The other thing is shaft weight. I've seen guys rant and rave about their "old growth 4oz shafts" and when you look at the shafts they'll have a brass insert in them! How much do think the brass insert weighs?
I'll put one of my well taken care of shafts (3.7 to 3.9 oz with no brass insert) up against any "old growth" out there. There is a lot more that goes into engineering a good shaft than just how old the wood is.
, im very active in the market and good knowledge hands on. not what is read in the papers or isolated incidents.
in heavily populated areas it costs 300 sq. ft. for modest houses. that doesnt include land and extras.
common to see 500 to 1000 sq ft on popular tourist areas or recreation areas.
more rural area 150 to 250 depending on size and extras.
that is what drives up costs of used ones. labor and materials.
and many of those bought up by speculators get torn down for new. after a time. and they make catastrophic mistakes and buy too high and get punished.
and if you own in that area, you get to profit from development even if you dont desire it.
only those that want to move there and get a bargain are the ones complaining.
and no ,matter what you pay now. in 20 years it will be paid off, free and clear and worth from 5 to ten or more times what you paid.if you buy in a touristy or growing area.
in heavily populated areas it costs 300 sq. ft. for modest houses. that doesnt include land and extras.
common to see 500 to 1000 sq ft on popular tourist areas or recreation areas.
more rural area 150 to 250 depending on size and extras.
that is what drives up costs of used ones. labor and materials.
and many of those bought up by speculators get torn down for new. after a time. and they make catastrophic mistakes and buy too high and get punished.
and if you own in that area, you get to profit from development even if you dont desire it.
only those that want to move there and get a bargain are the ones complaining.
and no ,matter what you pay now. in 20 years it will be paid off, free and clear and worth from 5 to ten or more times what you paid.if you buy in a touristy or growing area.