That wars my point!
Are Gold Crowns Still Being "Diamondized?"
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Maybe he should if his BNR % is 30-40%. Odd he can execute that, yet missed 11 straight in draw shots in a row.
They aren't squatting the CB because they are most likely employing a cut break to pocket the 1B in the side.
And they were unsuccessful on that 100% of the time.
I NEVER said my B&R % is 30-40%.
I said with BIH unless it was a difficult spread.
Granted, 30-40% might be a little high. Maybe 25-30% is more accurate.
And typically how many long straight-in draw shots do you get in a race to 11? One, maybe two?
Watch this Van Boening/Shaw match. Start at the 3:45 mark and watch to the 4:55 mark.
Lost control of the CB and had a tough, long straight-in shot.
And he missed a half mile.
All of this looks familiar.
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Maybe because they are human?
I'd say that's still high. How do you fare in a Race to 7 vs The Ghost?
I think that you are putting too much emphasis on getting good on the low ball off the break. That is a nuance of the game that requires a lot of practice and skill, and maybe even a bit of luck. You are getting frustrated by a minor detail, and it's ruining your enjoyment of the game.
The two layouts that you've shown here are not unreasonable. Sure, they aren't easy runouts, but you do have some great practice options. The 1 behind the 6 yields a great opportunity to practice a rudimentary kick and stick. The 2 ball across table yields a great opportunity to practice a very standard 2-3 rail containment safe, behind the 7.
If you are looking to practice your runouts, practice shooting the 5 ball ghost. If it's too easy, keep adding balls.
If you are looking to practice your break, practice your break... But, don't feel like you need to modify your table, just because you aren't getting great on the 1 ball every rack. That's just a part of the game. Focus on what makes the game fun, and not on what is driving you nuts.
I would suggest that if you aren't pocketing a ball on the break every time, despite using a Magic Rack, that you may want to change up how you are breaking.
He is referencing older Accu-stats matches likely before cut breaks and 9ball on the spot was a thing.
Yes. This.
The cut break has been used for a long while to make the 1B in the side. Long before 9B on the spot.
FWIW, I just did my GCIV a few months ago. Sent the rails to Jack Zimmerman to square up the pockets and tighten them by .5", also artemis rubber installed. I had my table for years and gold crowns were always up there with my favorite tables and I can honestly say that this table has never been better and I absolutely love it. I am a 695ish fargo and not a pro by any means but I do feel like I am good enough to appreciate a good table.
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I like this - negotiating with the ghost for a spot. Smart.
FYI here,
I had an above player tell me what I needed to do with my draw shot problem was to elevate the butt of the CB. Uh, what?????
This is completely the opposite from what Fran Crimi told me in the 11 Consecutive Misses thread.
Doesn't really surprise me any.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I've been 100% serious in my replies. Honestly if you're able to BNR even 25% of the time with BIH, you're probably 650+ Fargo and I have no advice. You're magnitudes better than me.
The thing is though, and I mean this absolutely respectfully, with the other issues you're having and the questions you ask I'd be more likely to guess you're maybe mid 500s Fargo, which is still better than my Fargorate. It's not realistic to run out that much at that level, even with BIH. One at that level would be lucky to run 3/10 on a good day.
The most BNR with BIH I've seen in real life was from a 650 rated friend. We're talking on a 7' bar table. Now I've seen him BNR 6 times in a row once in a set(well one of the run was an early 9). Typically if he's having a really good day he can BNR with BIH 3-4 out of 10. That's on a good day. More likely is 2/10 or maybe 3/10.
It's great to "solve the puzzle" and figure out a run out pattern after break, but honestly it will happen much less than just seeing the pattern.
Without seeing your stroke in action either one of those people could be correct. Fran is telling you how to do it with a more level textbook stroke, the other person is telling you what might band-aid it and get you more comfortable at it. Either works tbh and it depends on what your goals for the shot is. Draw it back a full table or more? Watch the pros deliver a good draw, even they elevate it, and if on the rail there is no choice but to elevate.
Fran is correct and telling you correct form and how to do it to achieve the most accuracy, both potting and CB leave. But you can't discount elevating the butt, while it does make the shot harder, there's no denying most can get a heck of a lot of juice that way. And again, without seeing your stroke you may not get the action with a level stroke, you may need to jack up some. It's entirely situational and depends on seeing what is actually going on. Without video evidence you will get generic advice. I'm not giving you hell for not providing video, I know I haven't and am very hesitant to put the clown show of my shooting online for the public to see.
The break rules are different but you can still attempt to squat the CB.
Perhaps invest in another one??
It's got nothing to do with his table or the conditions.
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Well here is some free advice from a self confessed "banger". Some background:
Not a runout player. No fargo. Captained an APA team for 7 years with a pretty good win percentage. HAve a 7 ft. diamond at home. Took a couple lessons from the late great Scott Lee, have played shortstop level players even and gotten my brains beat in, Adjusted and got a few games on the wire and won more times than not.
Anyway, I started years ago with a drill from Tor Lowry...started with 5 balls and played 5 ball rotation until I beat the ghost 7-0, then I added a ball and went to six ball, rinse and repeat. Took over a year before I worked up to actual 9 ball. Best thing I ever did. It gave me opportunity to try breaking from different spots with different speeds, of course, but more than that, with fewer balls, I got to really see how the balls responded to different breaks....Now, Playing the 9 ball pro ghost is a 50/50 proposition (which is why I don't consider myself a runout player). I usually beat it with BIH after the break.
This and playing a lot of Bowliards (you can search for it here) really helped in addition to repping the standard drills. Give yourself a chance for success. I was amazed at how good it felt to skunk the ghost at six ball! Successes make you want more, and keep you coming back to the table..
Not a runout player. No fargo. Captained an APA team for 7 years with a pretty good win percentage. HAve a 7 ft. diamond at home. Took a couple lessons from the late great Scott Lee, have played shortstop level players even and gotten my brains beat in, Adjusted and got a few games on the wire and won more times than not.
Anyway, I started years ago with a drill from Tor Lowry...started with 5 balls and played 5 ball rotation until I beat the ghost 7-0, then I added a ball and went to six ball, rinse and repeat. Took over a year before I worked up to actual 9 ball. Best thing I ever did. It gave me opportunity to try breaking from different spots with different speeds, of course, but more than that, with fewer balls, I got to really see how the balls responded to different breaks....Now, Playing the 9 ball pro ghost is a 50/50 proposition (which is why I don't consider myself a runout player). I usually beat it with BIH after the break.
This and playing a lot of Bowliards (you can search for it here) really helped in addition to repping the standard drills. Give yourself a chance for success. I was amazed at how good it felt to skunk the ghost at six ball! Successes make you want more, and keep you coming back to the table..