Please help with thoughts / info about a very unusual Brunswick pool cue?

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vintagecollectibles831

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I am curious if anyone here knows any info about this Brunswick cue?

The quality looks pretty decent to me, and I think it looks really interesting.

The cue has a really unusual looking joint pin.

I still wonder if it is just a really cheap import though.

Thanks a lot for any thoughts.
 

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I don't know anything about it other than I like it. The two visible points look pretty even and it appears to have seen some significant play with the staining on its shaft. Even if it is a inexpensive import (and I'm not saying it is,) if it seems solid it could make for a cool cue. If I saw it for sale somewhere that I could handle it and assess it's overall quality I'd consider buying it. Hell, if the price was right I'd even take a flier on it on an online sale. And the last thing I need is another cue. I just like the overall aesthetics of it.
 
Jimmy_Betmore said:
I don't know anything about it other than I like it. The two visible points look pretty even and it appears to have seen some significant play with the staining on its shaft. Even if it is a inexpensive import (and I'm not saying it is,) if it seems solid it could make for a cool cue. If I saw it for sale somewhere that I could handle it and assess it's overall quality I'd consider buying it. Hell, if the price was right I'd even take a flier on it on an online sale. And the last thing I need is another cue. I just like the overall aesthetics of it.
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Yeah, I think the cue also looks old, or at least played with a lot, just from the appearance of the shaft wood. The grease and dirt, from playing, has gone all the way down to the joint collar.

Thanks for your reply.
 
skor said:
I think that the original joint broke and this is a fix
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I actually think that is a plastic shaft insert that got stuck on the pin and pulled out. Been watching that sale, of course.

Relatively modern cue, looks likely Asian made. Maybe Lishan or Adam. Contrary to popular belief Huebler is not the only one that did plastic or nylon inserts. Asian cues had them as well. This has caused some cues to be misidentified as Huebler. I saw one in the last couple months on Ebay listed as a Huebler, but it was a Lishan.

There are number of cues listed from Japan sellers these days. Often less than accurate information. Sometimes it is in an effort to market the cue, other times translation issues, and sometimes just flat out wrong. Some US made, some Asian made. Some production, some US custom makers.
 
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The butt cap and pin (cool pin) are newer - don't seem original. The wood and splice look very well done. I don't like the fat brass rings but they work aesthetically, although maybe not with the butt rings. I wanna say forgery but I wouldn't know. I'd buy it as a cool stick.
 
Chopdoc said:
I actually think that is a plastic shaft insert that got stuck on the pin and pulled out. Been watching that sale, of course.

Relatively modern cue, looks likely Asian made. Maybe Lishan or Adam. Contrary to popular belief Huebler is not the only one that did plastic or nylon inserts. Asian cues had them as well. This has caused some cues to be misidentified ad Huebler. I saw one in the last couple months on Ebay listed as a Huebler, but it was a Lishan.

There are number of cues listed from Japan sellers these days. Often less than accurate information. Sometimes it is in an effort to market the cue, other times translation issues, and sometimes just flat out wrong. Some US made, some Asian made. Some production, some US custom makers.
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Oh, that is really smart thinking. Wow, that makes perfect sense. So, the Nylon insert is stuck to the joint pin. And, I bet it was a 3/8x10 joint pin. Might be wrong though.

A Biagio line of cues, which seem to be extremely rare, that were made by Adam, had a very similar looking Nylon insert in the shaft. And, I recall they came with a 3/8x10 joint pin. Those are the only cues I ever seen with a Nylon insert though, other then Huebler.

So, this might be an Adam made cue.

Thanks for your thoughts about that.
 
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straightline said:
The butt cap and pin (cool pin) are newer - don't seem original. The wood and splice look very well done. I don't like the fat brass rings but they work aesthetically, although maybe not with the butt rings. I wanna say forgery but I wouldn't know. I'd buy it as a cool stick.
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I assure you, that is original. It is a mass produced cue branded by Brunswick.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
Oh, that is really smart thinking. Wow, that makes perfect sense. So, the Nylon insert is stuck to the joint pin. And, I bet it was a 3/8x10 joint pin. Might be wrong though.

A Biagio line of cues, which seem to be extremely rare, that were made by Adam, had a very similar looking Nylon insert in the shaft. Those are the only cues I ever seen with a Nylon insert though, other then Huebler.

So, this might be an Adam made cue.

Thanks for your thoughts about that.
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Biagio were variously made in UK, US, and Asia.

I have a couple of them.

The ones by Joss are the best and most valuable.
 
So the insert is Delrin. Not surprisingly it pulled out. Delrin was made specifically so things wouldn't stick to it. Adhesives don't work well on it.

Simple repair, but it's likely to pull out again. Poor choice of material for the insert.

The sale price exceeds the value IMHO.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
So, this might be an Adam made cue.
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Maybe, but Adam is a multinational company. It could have just as easily been made in Taiwan by them or another maker.

Adam has also supplied cue parts to others, and assemble cues from parts in one place from parts made elsewhere. You can find Rich cues, Viking cues, and Palmer cues (the old ones made in the US) with Adam splices for example.

Personally, I would love to find a Viking, Palmer, Rich, and any others with matching splices to have as an example set.

That bumper does not look like any Adam bumper I am familiar with, but I have seen that bumper on Taiwan branded cues.

Interestingly, for some reason many still don't accept that Taiwan makers have made just as good cues as Adam in Japan. And Adam Japan actually made a lot of pretty crappy cues in their lower lines. We are just collectively more familiar with the "good ones" from Japan and the "crappy ones" from Taiwan.
 
The inserts have unthreaded from several vintage cues that I own, both metal and plastics.

My repair was to notch the outside threads with a dremel and then wipe the insert with alcohol.
Then apply slow curing epoxy to the inside of the shaft hole. I screw a matching pin into the insert and then thread the insert into the shaft slowly.
It doesn’t take much epoxy and give it a chance to move the adhesive through the threads and into the wood.

Don’t thread it in too fast or it can split the shaft from the pressure.
 
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Cuebuddy said:
The inserts have inthreaded from several vintage cues that I own, both metal and plastics.

My repair was to notch the outside threads with a dremel and then wipe the insert with alcohol.
Then apply slow curing epoxy to the inside of the shaft hole. I screw a matching pin into the insert and then thread the insert into the shaft slowly.
It doesn’t take much epoxy and give it a chance to move the adhesive through the threads and into the wood.

Don’t thread it in too fast or it can split the shaft from the pressure.
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Huebler inserts have notches/grooves in the threads.

I agree with your strategy. The key is better mechanical interface. Its commonly understood and simple. That will be especially important for Delrin, which would be even worse than any other plastic or polymer insert.

What I find astonishing is that the OP didn't see this is an insert pulled out.

But, more eyes on something is always better.
 
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