Carbon fiber for the slickest feel, what grit?

Sensation

Sensation

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Revos are a little rough for my taste, I can feel a drag. I play with a glove and I'm wondering at what grit sandpaper can I wet sand in order to make a shaft feel the slickest.

I feel the absolute best is somewhere between 1500, 2000 or 2500. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Sensation said:
Revos are a little rough for my taste, I can feel a drag. I play with a glove and I'm wondering at what grit sandpaper can I wet sand in order to make a shaft feel the slickest.

I feel the absolute best is somewhere between 1500, 2000 or 2500. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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i wouldn't use any. i'd ask this in the 'ask a cuemaker' section for more action.
 
Maybe just clean it thoroughly. Factory smooth is pretty smooth.

CF is pretty dangerous to sand without PPE. If you were going to lathe it, I’d use the highest grit you have. Try 2000 and see if that works.
 
every cf shaft i've tried, except for 1st. ver of Defy, has been slicker than hell. never seen the need to sand one.
 
Reddit posters used a ceramic spray wax such as Lithium Mud Slide to fix a Defy shaft.

https://www.reddit.com/r/billiards/comments/1fxfsfg/compare_mcdermott_defy_shaft_version
https://www.reddit.com/r/billiards/comments/1csyvjz/car_wax_for_carbon_fiber_shaft

Shaft spray ceramic wax.jpg
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Shaft spray ceramic wax 2.jpg
 
Thing is, the shaft has been in an accident already. I'm ready to try stuff for science!
I've tried many many products over the years to make the shaft slicker. I might be the one that has tried the most in the whole universe! (800 Fargo for sure in that department).

Anyhow, I just tried sanding the shaft to 3000, and no matter the wax / lube I put on top, it sticks, as if it was simply too smooth. So I'm willing to go down with my grit. I was just wondering if anybody had experience with this.

(Edit: factory Revos are definitely finished with lower grit than say Cuetec Cynergy, or Mezz Ignite. And I don't like that as far as playing with a glove.)
 
Sensation said:
Anyhow, I just tried sanding the shaft to 3000, and no matter the wax / lube I put on top, it sticks, as if it was simply too smooth. So I'm willing to go down with my grit.
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You lost me here. How can polishing the shaft with a grittier sandpaper prevent the stickiness?
 
Paul_#_ said:
You lost me here. How can polishing the shaft with a grittier sandpaper prevent the stickiness?
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That is the whole mystery I'm trying to solve.

But here's ChatGPT's take on it.
  • When you sand to very high grits (like 3000, 5000+), you flatten the microscopic texture.
  • Flat = more surface area in contact with the glove, which means more friction.
  • A slightly rougher surface (like a Revo’s 1000–1500 grit finish) actually reduces total contact area with the glove, resulting in less drag — kind of like a car tire on wet vs. dry pavement.
My point is: there has to be a grit that's feels the slickest to a player with a glove - with or without coating like wax on top.
 
Paul_#_ said:
You lost me here. How can polishing the shaft with a grittier sandpaper prevent the stickiness?
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Sensation said:
That is the whole mystery I'm trying to solve.

But here's ChatGPT's take on it.
  • When you sand to very high grits (like 3000, 5000+), you flatten the microscopic texture.
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From https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...-fiber-shaft-slick-again.576897/#post-8162058
Bob Jewett said:
Back when Cuetec first introduced coated shafts (fiberglass?), they had a nice, shiny finish. They were also sticky and impossible to play with if you used a closed bridge. The solution was to sand them and make the finish dull. Eventually, Cuetec started doing this at the factory, which they should have done from the start.

It is counterintuitive, but for a stick to slide smoothly on the skin of your hand, you want a slightly rough surface and not a smooth one. That's why the OP has a problem now that his shaft is shiny from wear. And that's why chalk dust is really bad for CF -- it is slightly abrasive and polishes the surface just where it needs to be a little rough.
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Here is Predator's before and after photo of a refinished Revo shaft. See how refinishing dulled the surface:
Revo recharge shaft by Predator.jpg

Its $80 for 'recharge' and replacing tip.
See price list and above photo from a video clip at https://support.predatorgroup.com/h...06949594-Predator-Repairs-Returns-Information
 
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My revo break shaft was always very rough to me. Last week i used 3000k on it very lighly and it's so much better. If you need smoother go higher.
 
Sensation said:
That is the whole mystery I'm trying to solve.

But here's ChatGPT's take on it.
  • When you sand to very high grits (like 3000, 5000+), you flatten the microscopic texture.
  • Flat = more surface area in contact with the glove, which means more friction.
  • A slightly rougher surface (like a Revo’s 1000–1500 grit finish) actually reduces total contact area with the glove, resulting in less drag — kind of like a car tire on wet vs. dry pavement.
My point is: there has to be a grit that's feels the slickest to a player with a glove - with or without coating like wax on top.
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To me it's just adhesion; micro suction. The shinier, the grippier.
 
Texas Carom Club said:
i think lower would be just fine
use 80
and show us the results

that or a handful of gravel
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for pool and shotgun enthusiasts.......back in my skeet shooting days, I shot at a gun club that had a "character", who when things weren't going well with his Remington 1100, would open the bolt, scoop up a handful of dirt/sand/gravel, throw it in the breech, vigorously rack the bolt back and forth about 10 times, dump out the crud and pronounce his gun "fixed" and no more missed targets.

He was a nut case.

But strangely it seemed to work for him!!
 
The Old Jaybird said:
for pool and shotgun enthusiasts.......back in my skeet shooting days, I shot at a gun club that had a "character", who when things weren't going well with his Remington 1100, would open the bolt, scoop up a handful of dirt/sand/gravel, throw it in the breech, vigorously rack the bolt back and forth about 10 times, dump out the crud and pronounce his gun "fixed" and no more missed targets.

He was a nut case.

But strangely it seemed to work for him!!
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All he did was grinded the inside with the gravel. It may slightly get rid of the tolerance levels.
 
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