For those of You that don't know... The BreakRAK is getting some attention...

Black-Balled said:
How are you going to get a repeatable break shot that allows you to (pretend you😩)control what happens on the break?

No better tool on the market to practice the break shot...
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how do you know if you controlled anything without balls to control?
the only thing you control is the CB but you don't know if the spread will move the CB.
Rack and break!
1. you'll learn how to rack, maybe less important with templates
2. you'll learn how to break
3. you'll learn how the balls spread with all games and rack
4. in the era of great video cameras in your phone, getting a tripod and recording yourself breaking and then analyzing it will provide a better learning curve.
5. Practicing the break with a friend will even make it fun
 
nataddrho said:
A chef can practice mastering onions one day and practice frying eggs another day, just like someone can practice their break shot precision and power one day and practice learning how balls spread another.

I think a lot of people, (especially older, erhm) confuse training aids and drills as shortcuts to a goal, instead of realizing they are for focused training for a part of the game. If one doesn’t believe in learning things by “divide and conquer” at all, they should learn how schools and colleges work.
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training is very important
but this tool is the shortcut
training on real tables with real balls will train you better to what really is going to happen in a real game.
This tool will only work on the speed and power of the break which is less important these days with template racking.
With real balls you'll still practice power and speed but by analyzing the spread and if you made any balls, you'll be able to tell if you need less or more power for a certain table, allowing you to adjust faster in real time in a match
 
skor said:
how do you know if you controlled anything without balls to control?
the only thing you control is the CB but you don't know if the spread will move the CB.
Rack and break!
1. you'll learn how to rack, maybe less important with templates
2. you'll learn how to break
3. you'll learn how the balls spread with all games and rack
4. in the era of great video cameras in your phone, getting a tripod and recording yourself breaking and then analyzing it will provide a better learning curve.
5. Practicing the break with a friend will even make it fun
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I think it is kind of a cart before the horse thing.

3&4 aren't possible without a repeatable hit, one can't really tell.
2- sure, in 10+x the time...
5. I like my 3 friends but would never trust and of them to not slug me.
 
Black-Balled said:
I think it is kind of a cart before the horse thing.

3&4 aren't possible without a repeatable hit, one can't really tell.
2- sure, in 10+x the time...
5. I like my 3 friends but would never trust and of them to not slug me.
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I think that most good players got a good break without spending $800 or more on a gadget that will sit in the closet after couple of uses
 
skor said:
If you feel that you must have this gadget to improve your break, then go ahead, it’s your money.

Just remember that it only emulates a 9ball rack
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I think its main function of increasing your speed including your accuracy when you hit hard applies to all smash break games.

For top players at nine ball, ten ball and eight ball, it is not so useful because they work on pocketing specific balls, and sometimes they work on the one ball and cue ball positioning. For players under 600 Fargo, that may not apply. However, I have a student who has had good success with pocketing the second row balls at eight ball, but his league uses template racks where those two balls are much easier to control.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think its main function of increasing your speed including your accuracy when you hit hard applies to all smash break games.

For top players at nine ball, ten ball and eight ball, it is not so useful because they work on pocketing specific balls, and sometimes they work on the one ball and cue ball positioning. For players under 600 Fargo, that may not apply. However, I have a student who has had good success with pocketing the second row balls at eight ball, but his league uses template racks where those two balls are much easier to control.
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I think that a few hours with an instructor to work with a player on the break and later practicing will be a better way to spend the money to get to better results.

I remember when I was working on my break years ago, after I got some coaching, I practice the break for 2 hours everyday for a week.
The following two weeks I would practice the break half an hour a day before getting to other drills for an hour. and only later would play with friends or in league or tournament.
Back then, there was only a triangle to use for raking...
I don't think that this tool would have gotten my break to a better place.
 
skor said:
I’ve always failed to see the advantage of this tool rather than get you to spend more money…
There are no shortcuts, a chef needs to chop onions for a year to start his way to the top.
A pool player should rack and break for a year to master the break. How can you learn how the balls spread with this tool?
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They can be great for learning to park your cueball. But they will do nothing to teach you the break. You should be able to look at the rack and have an idea where the balls will end up and play appropriately. You also can't practice actually making the 1B in the side or similar. Parking the CB is very important but you won't learn what difference 1/64th of an inch will do to where the opposite wing ball or 1B will end up.

Great product and I'm not bashing, but it only shows you one aspect of the break. Learning what the balls do is also important.
 
boogieman said:
They can be great for learning to park your cueball. But they will do nothing to teach you the break. You should be able to look at the rack and have an idea where the balls will end up and play appropriately. You also can't practice actually making the 1B in the side or similar. Parking the CB is very important but you won't learn what difference 1/64th of an inch will do to where the opposite wing ball or 1B will end up.

Great product and I'm not bashing, but it only shows you one aspect of the break. Learning what the balls do is also important.
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a lot of money to learn the stop shot...
 
skor said:
I think that a few hours with an instructor to work with a player on the break and later practicing will be a better way to spend the money to get to better results.

I remember when I was working on my break years ago, after I got some coaching, I practice the break for 2 hours everyday for a week.
The following two weeks I would practice the break half an hour a day before getting to other drills for an hour. and only later would play with friends or in league or tournament.
Back then, there was only a triangle to use for raking...
I don't think that this tool would have gotten my break to a better place.
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You're failing to acknowledge the massive benefit of not racking...ESPECIALLY with a wood rack on a public table.

You could probably break 10x more in the same time with the ceebee.

End result perhaps the same, as you say.

Maybe not though if one kept training with it and yeah, 'successful breaking' is different today than in decades past, I agree.
 
skor said:
how do you know if you controlled anything without balls to control?
the only thing you control is the CB but you don't know if the spread will move the CB.
Rack and break!
1. you'll learn how to rack, maybe less important with templates
2. you'll learn how to break
3. you'll learn how the balls spread with all games and rack
4. in the era of great video cameras in your phone, getting a tripod and recording yourself breaking and then analyzing it will provide a better learning curve.
5. Practicing the break with a friend will even make it fun
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I learned a lot about breaking, watch players in a match or in a tournament play.. Then YouTube came along & instant replay was available. I always videoed my practice & I talked to myself, to provide feedback, for later on, when I could use replay & slow motion, to get the Full Monty...
 
skor said:
If you feel that you must have this gadget to improve your break, then go ahead, it’s your money.

Just remember that it only emulates a 9ball rack
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I beg your pardon, after you put 4 or more balls (meaning 4 , 6, 7, 9 ,10 or 15) racked on the table spot, The Cueball's rebound is always the same. Somewhere near center of table.

One thing we do know about the BreakRAK, folks that have one, really like them & most continue using them. You can't hardly find a used one to buy & there are thousands of them out there. Many of the pros have & use one. Do I care if you buy one, nope. But it is my baby & mother's luv their babies. send us your name & we'll put you into the database of badmouthers, so that we don't accidentally sell you one.
 
ceebee said:
I beg your pardon, after you put 4 or more balls (meaning 4 , 6, 7, 9 ,10 or 15) racked on the table spot, The Cueball's rebound is always the same. Somewhere near center of table.

One thing we do know about the BreakRAK, folks that have one, really like them & most continue using them. You can't hardly find a used one to buy & there are thousands of them out there. Many of the pros have & use one. Do I care if you buy one, nope. But it is my baby & mother's luv their babies. send us your name & we'll put you into the database of badmouthers, so that we don't accidentally sell you one.
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Truth be told, this tool only helps a break when you hit the top ball heads-on hopping to stop the CB in the center of the table.
This break is obsolete....
Today in 9ball, where the 9 is on the spot, you cut break in order to pot the 1ball in the side.
If you use the BreakRak, you don't know if you succeed to cut the 1 to the side without a proper rack of real balls, you don't know if you'll scratch and you can't try to analyze where the 2 ball is going to go (most events nowadays also restrict the position of the 2 in the rack)

In 8ball, back in the day, you had to hit the head ball. Not anymore, and a lot are going for a second ball break, heck with this Ultimate Pool nonsense, a lot of players are going for the third ball... again the BreakRak doesn't help there much either.

The BreakRak was introduced years ago, and maybe it had a place 20 years ago, but today, maybe you need to upgrade it or just admit that your baby is not a baby anymore in fact it's an old man counting his last breath
 
The BreakRak lets you hit an object ball hard, without it flying off the table or needing to rerack. There isn’t another product that allows you to do this.

If you can’t hit balls hard dead on consistency, how are you going to hit cut breaks consistently?

Like you said about onions first.
 
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