9-Ball vs. 10-Ball Breaking Formats

Hitting the head ball wouldn’t solve the “dead ball(s)” issue though. Random 1 and 10 would at least make it near impossible to play position on the 1 though.
That’s what I would love to see. Kinda like with WNT rules for 9-ball. I don’t mind dead balls (like in WNT the 1 in the side). What I mind the most is repeatedly having the exact same shot on the lowest ball after the break. The look at the lowest ball should be the part that’s random / uncontrollable.
 
That’s what I would love to see. Kinda like with WNT rules for 9-ball. I don’t mind dead balls (like in WNT the 1 in the side). What I mind the most is repeatedly having the exact same shot on the lowest ball after the break. The look at the lowest ball should be the part that’s random / uncontrollable.
By every bit of logic, there should be more safety play in 10ball than in 9ball, as there is more traffic on the table after the break. At Large's superb stream table stats enable us to compare the SVB vs Gorst 10ball match to the most recent WNT major, the UK Open.

In SVB vs Gorst at 10-ball, the players averaged making 1.5 balls on the break, so, on average, 8.5 balls remained on the table after the break.

By comparison, at the UK Open, the players averaged making 1.0 balls on the break, so, on average 8.0 balls remained on the table after the break.

Hence, in the 10ball, there was about 6% more traffic to negotiate after the break. By every reckoning, you would have assumed that there was more safety play in the 10ball. However, just 35% of the racks had one or more safeties played in the 10ball, while one or more safeties were played in 44% of the racks in the 9ball.

The discrepancy, that defies every ounce of logic, is explained by the fact that the 10ball break has a much more predictable, and controllable, outcome than the break used in WNT play.

9ball played WNT style is the greater test of all-around skills than 10ball.
 
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... Honestly I like how in SVB vs Fedor, you had the rack pattern randomly generated. It’d be neat to see them do that but the 1-ball and 10-ball is included in the random positions. And you have to hit the head ball even if it’s not the 1-ball.
It would be interesting to see how that would work out in both 9-Ball and 10-Ball, providing the game-ball didn't count as a win on the break.
 
Maybe the answer is let's stop forcing the best players to play simple games..

They dumbed down pool in the early 80s .. for ratings that never came..

Corey Deuel turned classic 9-ball into a trickshot...

That was the wake up call, this isn't working at that level..

Currently "Pro Pool" doesn't exist to find the best player... it exists to sell gear to league players

14.1 and 1 pocket should be the premiere games of the elite players.. it's time to grow up and have the best players playing the most difficult games..
 
Maybe the answer is let's stop forcing the best players to play simple games..

They dumbed down pool in the early 80s .. for ratings that never came..

Corey Deuel turned classic 9-ball into a trickshot...

That was the wake up call, this isn't working at that level..

Currently "Pro Pool" doesn't exist to find the best player... it exists to sell gear to league players

14.1 and 1 pocket should be the premiere games of the elite players.. it's time to grow up and have the best players playing the most difficult games..
As an avid fan, my heart agrees. But I think we know those games are deemed too slow and boring to attract casual fans and get the support of promoters to be the commercial face of the game.
 
... 14.1 and 1 pocket should be the premiere games of the elite players.. it's time to grow up and have the best players playing the most difficult games..
I prefer to play both of those games over rotation, but if you want to bring money to the players though spectators, those are currently the wrong games.
... those games are deemed too slow and boring to attract casual fans and get the support of promoters to be the commercial face of the game.
It would take a long time to educate a large enough audience to make them commercially successful. However we have the example of snooker, where there is the occasional safety battle that goes for 20 minutes with no score, except maybe points for fouls. The fans are smart enough to follow along with the problems and tactics and admire the skill needed.
 
I prefer to play both of those games over rotation, but if you want to bring money to the players though spectators, those are currently the wrong games.

It would take a long time to educate a large enough audience to make them commercially successful. However we have the example of snooker, where there is the occasional safety battle that goes for 20 minutes with no score, except maybe points for fouls. The fans are smart enough to follow along with the problems and tactics and admire the skill needed.

I dont think the hurdle is as high as you do.

Let's list some of the things that were simplified for the masses in the early 80s

Television shows went from threes company to Game of Thrones adding nuanced complexity..

3 minute interviews became 3 hour podcasts adding nuanced complexity.

Beer went from Budweiser and Miller Lite to hand crafted microbrews adding nuanced complexity..

Bourbon went fron Jim Beam to Pappy Van Winkle adding nuanced complexity

TV dinners became hello fresh again adding nuanced complexity.

Tastes have changed across a wide variety of topics and all trend towards nuanced complexity..

The 9-ball experiment aka treat it like boxing and pro wrestling with silly nicknames and 11 round bouts with a knockout punch(9 on the break)

It failed to break big, the game was broken 25 years ago,

To think that can be overcome with small tweaks is lunacy.

Let's join the worldwide trend towards nuanced complexity..
 
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I dont think the hurdle is as high as you do.

Let's list some of the things that were simplified for the masses in the early 80s

Television shows went from threes company to Game of Thrones adding nuanced complexity..

3 minute interviews became 3 hour podcasts adding nuanced complexity.

Beer went from Budweiser and Miller Lite to hand crafted microbrews adding nuanced complexity..

Bourbon went fron Jim Beam to Pappy Van Winkle adding nuanced complexity

TV dinners became hello fresh again adding nuanced complexity.

Tastes have changed across a wide variety of topics and all trend towards nuanced complexity..

The 9-ball experiment aka treat it like boxing and pro wrestling with silly nicknames and 11 round bouts with a knockout punch(9 on the break)

It failed to break big, the game was broken 25 years ago,

To think that can be overcome with small tweaks is lunacy.

Let's join the worldwide trend towards nuanced complexity..
Even Boxing itself has been replaced by MMA with a variety of styles adding nuanced complexity..

Even the sport we tried to mimic moved on..
 
I dont think the hurdle is as high as you do.

Let's list some of the things that were simplified for the masses in the early 80s

Television shows went from threes company to Game of Thrones adding nuanced complexity..

3 minute interviews became 3 hour podcasts adding nuanced complexity.

Beer went from Budweiser and Miller Lite to hand crafted microbrews adding nuanced complexity..

Bourbon went fron Jim Beam to Pappy Van Winkle adding nuanced complexity

TV dinners became hello fresh again adding nuanced complexity.

Tastes have changed across a wide variety of topics and all trend towards nuanced complexity..

The 9-ball experiment aka treat it like boxing and pro wrestling with silly nicknames and 11 round bouts with a knockout punch(9 on the break)

It failed to break big, the game was broken 25 years ago,

To think that can be overcome with small tweaks is lunacy.

Let's join the worldwide trend towards nuanced complexity..

i would love for you to be right, one pocket is the best game in all cue sports, but i don't see it happening. i recently watched two pros take almost 11 hours to play a race to 5. your not setting up bleachers around that, let alone get a broadcasting contract

straight pool is a great game, it's my 2nd favorite game, but it doesn't display all facets of pool. there's very little banking and kicking. played "right" there's not even much cue ball dancing. and i think that if the current crop of players would specialize in straight pool we would see a lot of shut out matches. these caveats taken together makes it a hard sell
 
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