Bull carbon
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Whyte Carbon also uses an interchangeable joint but it's a little different.
vintagecollectibles831
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Google AI tells me that Bull Carbon shafts and cues are made by Jacoby cues, but I have no idea. I am actually curious about the same thing. Can anyone here confirm this? Seyberts sells Bull Carbon shafts for approximately $495.
I might get hammered for this but here goes.
It’s been my belief that there are cue designers.. People that claim to be cue makers while actually contacting out their unique designs to some of the larger companies. They themselves
only do the design and have those cues built by one or another of the larger companies scale cue manufacturers.
Thier name is on it but it’s built by another entity..
JMO!!!’
vintagecollectibles831
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Yeah, lol, Predator is a big one for exsmple. Lol, Predator does not actually build cues. They gave other factories build them. Falcon was the 1st to build the butts for Predator, for example.
I have heard this a lot, about many so called custom cue makers too.
One guy on here had Schmelkie build a line of cues awhile back, and claimed they were custom made by a famous cue maker, who signed off of it, and helped with the designs. Then sold for prices of like 5 times the cost of building the cues.
The reason behind my post is I’ve been in shops like John Davis (rip). His shop was loaded with heavy duty equipment. I believe he every imaginable piece of equipment needed to build cues and lots of other items.
Also seen shops that had almost no equipment. It struck me very odd but it was not a subject to discuss.
vintagecollectibles831
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Yeah, I understand. Mike Sigel is another example. I was told by a cue maker with inside (secret) info that he did not personally build his customs. He only signed them before finish. I was told that the cue maker who built them also built cues for Leonard Bludworth, and other cue makers too. I forget his name though.
vintagecollectibles831
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I heard that term, OEM, surprisingly from a high end pool cue case maker, who temporarily had a Chinese cue case maker build cases with his design and name on them. But, after he was unhappy with the quality, they did not care, and just kept building the cases anyways.
This happens in maybe all goods contracted to Asia. They are not bound or restricted by foreign or at least American copyright. Once they have the specs...
Please don't do this.
Don't do this either. Sigel 100% made his custom cues. But Sigel also imported Sigel production cues.
billiards_watch
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I know a couple of well known cue makers who had a joint venture selling cues under another name. It doesn't exist anymore but they thought it was worth a try.
I have more equipment than most cue builders and don't build cues so I feel free to say it really takes very little equipment to build a cue. A couple places build blanks if you want to go the full splice route, sneakies and merry widows just need a lathe and very minimal skills. Ringwork can be bought and stacked.
Most people end up with a lot of tooling, partially from preferring to do things their own way. It isn't because they need it all to make simple cues. There are tricks for inlays too but I won't go there!
There are cue builders out there, there are cue makers out there. If the cue builders have been doing it long you generally pay for their services, deservedly thataway.
Hu
Most people end up with a lot of tooling, partially from preferring to do things their own way. It isn't because they need it all to make simple cues. There are tricks for inlays too but I won't go there!
There are cue builders out there, there are cue makers out there. If the cue builders have been doing it long you generally pay for their services, deservedly thataway.
Hu
vintagecollectibles831
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Hi, I guess the difference between a cue builder and a cue maker is that a cue builder actually builds the entire cue, from wood that he created himself, over years of time, and a cue maker is a person that just buys blanks and other parts needed to make the cue, and just puts them together, with not nearly as much effort as a cue builder has to go through, over many years of time, just to build a single cue.
Bill Lister, in FL, for example, is a cue builder, I assume. His cues are super nice, from what I have seen, but he told me a few years ago, that he was not doing points yet. He may have started doing points by now though. His Merry Widow cues look amazing though.
I would have guessed the other way.
Builder - assembler
Maker - from scratch
Builder - assembler
Maker - from scratch
vintagecollectibles831
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Hi, do you know who builds Bull Carbon cues? I never figured out the answer to this, other then what Google AI told me, lol. Serious question, as I would really love to know. Thanks..
On their FB page there is a Florida address.
The email address is for the same guy that markets Koda cues which as far as I know is related to the guy that owns Cue & Cases that markets Lucasi and other brands.
So I guess they are all made in the same factory somewhere in China.
The email address is for the same guy that markets Koda cues which as far as I know is related to the guy that owns Cue & Cases that markets Lucasi and other brands.
So I guess they are all made in the same factory somewhere in China.
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cueball2010
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I was about to buy a Bull Carbon. But after researching, people were saying they were selling them after only owning them 6 months. For $500 dollars you can have just about any CF on the market.
vintagecollectibles831
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Yeah, people are selling their Whyte Carbon shafts too. For some crazy reason. Must be just because they really need the money, as the Whyte Carbon is one of the best shafts on the market. Arguably the best hitting shaft on the market.