What is the Taiwanese Secret to Success?

GoldenFlash · Dec 13, 2016

Choices in life....

nine_ball6970 said:
Have you ever thought the people who are so called outcasts and treated like 2nd class citizens might deserve that reputation.
You talk about hustling chumps. Think about that for a moment. Someone has a full time job and enjoys playing pool. You try to take their money and belittle them because you don't want to work at Waffle House?
I am sorry if you aren't good enough to make a good living playing pool and you have to sleep in your car because of that. Don't blame others for your choices.
Nobody has ever been banned from my pool room for being too good. That includes former Mosconi Cup players and anyone who walks in the door. They can play in any tournament. Maybe you get banned from some tournament you are robbing full of C players. Who knows.
I get tired of this entitled mentality. You are good at pool. Cool. That doesn't mean everyone should bend over backwards for you and pay your bills. Be an adult. Get a job like the rest of us and play pool on the side. News flash. Lots of shortstops work. You are not special.

Best post I've seen around here in years. My sentiments exactly.
The glorification of pool room bums and whores with guns, knives, dope, doing business, dumping, and all the rest is something else I cannot stand. Some of the "greats" write about this as if it were something to be proud of. It stinks. (just my opinion)
Nothing at all wrong with players making gentlemanly wagers on their games. But keep it gentlemanly and not crooked.

Cezar Morales · Dec 13, 2016

nine_ball6970 said:
Have you ever thought the people who are so called outcasts and treated like 2nd class citizens might deserve that reputation.

You talk about hustling chumps. Think about that for a moment. Someone has a full time job and enjoys playing pool. You try to take their money and belittle them because you don't want to work at Waffle House?

I am sorry if you aren't good enough to make a good living playing pool and you have to sleep in your car because of that. Don't blame others for your choices.

Nobody has ever been banned from my pool room for being too good. That includes former Mosconi Cup players and anyone who walks in the door. They can play in any tournament. Maybe you get banned from some tournament you are robbing full of C players. Who knows.

I get tired of this entitled mentality. You are good at pool. Cool. That doesn't mean everyone should bend over backwards for you and pay your bills. Be an adult. Get a job like the rest of us and play pool on the side. News flash. Lots of shortstops work. You are not special.

Terrific post.

I think its time we all realize pool aint snooker or golf.
A snooker 1st prize money is 200,000 POUNDS and golf is over a million whereas pool is a measly 40,000 for all the hard work u put in . Thats miserable n sadly not every can be Svb Or Ko Pin Yi.
I wld prefer to have a respectable.job that pays well n enjoy pool as a hobby to remove that uncertainty in my life being a pro.

Since 2007, economy in taiwan has taken a hit so govt has cut funding on professional pool association and it was disbanded meaning professionals have to rely strictly on their tournament winnings to survive n they r on their own.

Therefore many pros decided they gonna hold real jobs n still continue playing pro pool at international tournaments n that really display their commitment n dedicatiom to the game.
Life goes on...

TheBook · Dec 13, 2016

I think it is very easy to know why.

They spend more time on the tables practicing the basics.

They don't waste their time on forums trying to find the magic feather as if the best cue, tip, chalk, shaft, break cue and etc is the secret.

They don't buy into all the instruction books and videos searching for the magic feather and secret short cut or gimick to become a better player.

Cezar Morales · Dec 13, 2016

TheBook said:
I think it is very easy to know why.

They spend more time on the tables practicing the basics.

They don't waste their time on forums trying to find the magic feather as if the best cue, tip, chalk, shaft, break cue and etc is the secret.

They don't buy into all the instruction books and videos searching for the magic feather and secret short cut or gimick to become a better player.

Haha hell yeah.
Heres an embarrasing story.

When predator 1st came out , i bought one to try and i brought it proudly to my regular pool hall in taiwan to show off a little bit as i was the 1st to have it.
I took it out my case and starting to announcing to a couple a players n some semi-pros " hey guys, its a GOD-DAMMN PREDATOR , REAL LOW-DEFLECTION, NO COMPENSATION REQUIRED " thinking they gonna worship me.
They turn around n stare at me n my cue n said " Really.. Oh Okay " n went back to whatever they were doing.
I was puzzled so i started asking if anyone wld like to test drive it n i got no takers .

Subsequently , i understood why , em taiwanese were taught to play n understand whatever cue they play with and under no circumstances do they blame their equipment so a majority of em still use custom cues with southwest being the norm.

Here's smth interesting , a young taiwanese junior world champ lu hui chan once went played in the men's Wpa 9ball with a house cue off the wall as he liked the hit of thay particular cue.
So yeah thats the taiwanese for you

John Disque · Dec 13, 2016

Mr. Bond said:
The reputation and scorn pool has received in the U.S., it has earned.
Fully.

In other countries, they do not receive it because they do not earn it.

Across the sea they seek iron-clad honor instead of stealing wallets like a whore.

That said, keep in mind that the rest of the world is playing 9ball ( The American Game. I repeat, The American Game) for a reason.

I think most of the truly great younger players are paying for the past of the older generation, and you can't call that "fair."

Couple that with the cheesy movies, books, rumors, old war-stories, etc... and you have a "dead-end."

The American public sees pool totally different than other countries see it.

If the stories are embellished and over-blown to look glamorous... the public holds an interest but it's an outside perspective. (Like watching a reality show about drugs or some underground, secret lifestyle. <==> It's fascinating but they don't want their kids involved with it so they keep them away and steer them into other interests where there's actually money, safety and respect involved).

The first thing that has to be done - is -- show these parents the reality of it... that we're not a bunch of ignorant misfits who would hustle their own mothers.

Of course - changing the perspective in an entire culture and society of people is easier said than done.

PoolChump · Dec 13, 2016

The Taiwanese Women

John Disque said:
I think most of the truly great younger players are paying for the past of the older generation, and you can't call that "fair."

Couple that with the cheesy movies, books, rumors, old war-stories, etc... and you have a "dead-end."

The American public sees pool totally different than other countries see it.

If the stories are embellished and over-blown to look glamorous... the public holds an interest but it's an outside perspective. (Like watching a reality show about drugs or some underground, secret lifestyle. <==> It's fascinating but they don't want their kids involved with it so they keep them away and steer them into other interests where there's actually money, safety and respect involved).

The first thing that has to be done - is -- show these parents the reality of it... that we're not a bunch of ignorant misfits who would hustle their own mothers.

Of course - changing the perspective in an entire culture and society of people is easier said than done.

I think it is the Taiwanese women that make pool in Taiwan successful.

JAM · Sunday at 2:30 AM

Dragging up an old thread.

Looking for info on Chang Yu Lung, who made the top four at the Florida Open, I came across this thread. Man, AzBilliards has information in all facets of pool, and this thread explains the Taiwanese approach to billiards like a tee. AzBilliards is the pool archives of the future.

Chang Yu Lung is 43 years old today, and his opponent, Shane Van Boening, is 42.

gregcantrall · Sunday at 3:07 AM

PocketSpeed11 said:
insight on this topic?

Forged in Fire comes to mind. Sparring with cheap games can strengthen both players.
I have seen , well there was a time I sparred with an equal player once a week. After a few months he showed his improvement by cashing in the next Reno pro 9 ball event.

I was slightly ahead in our cheap money contests and had sent him to the cash machine a couple of times.

Johnny Rosato · Sunday at 3:45 AM