Pool play that irritates you!

On your specific problem, coaching lesser players is hard. I’ve seen many great players be lousy coaches because they don’t understand the limitations of the other player. “Just draw the ball 2 feet” when the player can’t draw consistently. “Just play 3 rails with inside” when they can’t make a shot with English or judge the speed for 3 rails. Etc.

As for pool play that irritates me,

Shooting too slow.
Shooting too fast.
Chalking too much
Chalking too little
Playing too aggressively
Playing too safe
Talking too much
Escaping from my safety
Deliberate sharking
Accidental sharking
Leaving the chalk top down on the rail

The list is endless. The game is all torture.
You forgot not talking enough 🤣
 
Well, I will start it off. I play with a group of players a couple times a week, mixed company in terms of gender, skill level, but all have the same desire to win. Probably about 8 to 12 of us play in tournaments we make up for a few hours. I am probably one of the best in the group, but there are also a few others that are just as good, and then the rest of the folks there gradually diminish in talent level. We play scotch doubles 8 Ball tournaments, and oftentimes I am paired with lesser players who don't know how to position the cue that well. We allow coaching so often times I will try to coach an individual a bit, trying to be tactful as well, but they want nothing to do with somebody 'telling them what to do'. Instead of taking kind advice, they do what they want to do and usually end up giving me poor cue ball position on relatively easy position shots. It's as if they expect the cue ball to sense what they are thinking and automatically go to a certain position. The cue ball does not listen like that of course, and when it doesn't, which is all the time, they usually stick the cue ball snookered somewhere. When I was up and coming, I longed for people to coach me and suggest what to do, it's a way of learning for a humble individual. I guess to sum it up, those who don't want to take coaching, then mess up their shot, really irritates me, especially when we're playing Scotch doubles!
When I was an up and comer. Heck, I guess I'm still an up and comer. Anyway, when I was younger (that's better) decades ago, I used to play in a $50 a man Scotch Doubles 9 ball match up. (This was in Northern Virgina, Fast Eddies). Four of us of would play a set, then switch partners and play another set (you get the drift). Each set was $50 a man, on the 9 footer. Please note - I was NOT a good player, but I had heart (or carelessness with my money). The best player in the group (an A player and big gambler) would get so frustrated with poor shotmaking or positioning, that everyone else hated to be his partner. They were scared to mess up and suffer his wrath. I, on the other hand, used psychology on him. When I left him tough shots (which was most of the time) he'd start his crying, and I'd cut him off, coming back, aggressively, "You're the best player in the city - quit crying and make the shot. You don't dog it. Get this money" (Something to that affect, and it always pumped him up because he realy was a killer). Well, that would settle him down, and he usually made every shot. He even commented later, with a big smile, about our HIGH win percentage when he was on my team. It was almost a dead lock!
 
SLOW PLAY. Most everything else I can tolerate.

I'd love to play in a 8 ball tournament with a 20 second shot clock, with maybe one 20 second extension per rack.

And 20 seconds doesn't give you time to annoy me much, so do whatever you want!
Oh good God yes. A slow player’s kryptonite is… someone who plays even slower than they do. Call it a shark move, but when I’m in purgatory waiting on that slow mf’er to finally shoot, I’m watching tv or on my phone. When I finally get the ‘hey man, your shot’ … ‘oh man, my bad.’ I walk that table just long enough so what I’m doing is not 100% obvious, then shoot at something. I want them to feel the pain they inflict unnecessarily on us ‘normal’ players.

It’s amazing how a game can speed up after a couple racks of shameless pettiness.
 
On your specific problem, coaching lesser players is hard. I’ve seen many great players be lousy coaches because they don’t understand the limitations of the other player. “Just draw the ball 2 feet” when the player can’t draw consistently. “Just play 3 rails with inside” when they can’t make a shot with English or judge the speed for 3 rails. Etc.
Great post. As a newer player I have had a lot of timeouts called when I am playing by well meaning teammates. Often suggesting I do something I am not capable of pulling off. I get it. When you are good at something, it's very hard to remember what it was like to not be good at it.
 
Best post in the thread...









A local guy I know has a 9' table and wanted me to come over, well his friend showed up thinking he knew how to play pool (decent cue with CF shaft but didn't what a CF shaft is about) but has never played in league or a tournament, daddy had a table and he banged balls in high school -20 years ago. After about 5 or so games of me getting used to the big table they realized they were in over their heads. I'm no world beater but guys like that like make me chuckle.

So I was deliberately joking with some of these (like chalking too little).

Escaping from my safety is of course to be appreciated, although when you think you’ve got em locked up and they hit it and get safe it’s frustrating (as an aside, that is what impresses me most about watching elite pros - seeing 8 or 9 escapes and counter safes in a row from difficult positions).

Playing too aggressively only actually bothers me if we are playing 9b and the opponent is wildly firing at 9b combos all the time (especially when they go nowhere near the intended pocket but somehow fluke it somewhere else).

But by far the biggest source of annoyance to me is my own game. That’s the real torture!
 
- When my opponent is wearing ear buds and after repeatedly trying to get their attention I have to physically contact them to let them know what I'm doing (8-ball pocket, odd combo, watch for legal ball contact, etc.). Turn them down or take them out.
- When my opponent is constantly going away from the table after their shot and I have to wait on them to return. Very annoying.
- I don't really care if you want to smoke pot but keep in mind that not everyone wants to get a "contact high" just from being near you.
 
Damn, after reading all this i don't know why the fk i even go to the 'hall anymore. ;) Seriously most cats ARE cool but it takes just a couple with the jerkoff moves mentioned here to ruin it. To me its pretty simple: no fones and be ready when its your turn. if it takes more than two minutes to figure out a shot you need to find a new activity.
 
- When my opponent is wearing ear buds and after repeatedly trying to get their attention I have to physically contact them to let them know what I'm doing (8-ball pocket, odd combo, watch for legal ball contact, etc.). Turn them down or take them out.
- When my opponent is constantly going away from the table after their shot and I have to wait on them to return. Very annoying.
- I don't really care if you want to smoke pot but keep in mind that not everyone wants to get a "contact high" just from being near you.
I had a guy that was on his phone the entire match. It was alt break and he miscued and missed the rack. I grab the CB and he's on the phone about 20ft away so I roll up to the back of the rack. My buddies were laughing and the guy comes back,looks at the rack and figured I was going for the 3 foul. He winds up smashes them and the CB flew off the table. I wanted so bad to get him on 3 but decided to run out.
 
I had a guy that was on his phone the entire match. It was alt break and he miscued and missed the rack. I grab the CB and he's on the phone about 20ft away so I roll up to the back of the rack. My buddies were laughing and the guy comes back,looks at the rack and figured I was going for the 3 foul. He winds up smashes them and the CB flew off the table. I wanted so bad to get him on 3 but decided to run out.
I will NOT play fone pool. If they can't turn it off i'm gone.
 
- When my opponent is wearing ear buds and after repeatedly trying to get their attention I have to physically contact them to let them know what I'm doing (8-ball pocket, odd combo, watch for legal ball contact, etc.). Turn them down or take them
Oscar Dominguez has a good option for this in tournaments he runs. You have earbuds you can’t dispute anything called or said etc…. I think he likes to wear earbuds. I don’t like players wearing them, but if they do, this should be the rule. As for your situation I think you just call it and don’t try to get their attention. If they cry tell them you called it and they didn’t hear it. Do not accept their complaints. IMO the ref should call a loss of game unsportsmanlike for sharking if they dispute what was said.
 
Players that have no desire to improve. I’ve been an APA League for fifteen years and some the current three’s were three’s when I started playing. They never practice. They just show up, shoot they’re match, usually lose and leave.
 
Excessively slow play.
Not paying attention to the game.
Table huggers who won't sit down or get away from the table when they aren't shooting.
Getting down and then getting up and down and looking at the shot 20 times before shooting.
Carpenters who try to use their sticks to measure out and map out every shot they shoot.
Basically, everybody who puts more emphasis on everything but the game at hand.
 
Excessively slow play.
Not paying attention to the game.
Table huggers who won't sit down or get away from the table when they aren't shooting.
Getting down and then getting up and down and looking at the shot 20 times before shooting.
Carpenters who try to use their sticks to measure out and map out every shot they shoot.
Basically, everybody who puts more emphasis on everything but the game at hand.
Wait, I know this guy… 😂

There’s genuinely one guy who does all of the above, and another that does pretty much all of the above, both have giant egos and both I simply don’t make the effort to play anymore.

Neither are as good as their giant heads would have them believe. Neither will play me for money, and I won’t be sharing a table with either till they decide they want to. Because their money in my pocket would be the only way I could tolerate that shit.

Some of the nonsense they come out with in some of the group chats I’m in is just mind melting. I try my best to like most people, but these two dudes… hit life’s ’ignore button’ pretty hard 😂
 
As a newer player I have had a lot of timeouts called when I am playing by well meaning teammates. Often suggesting I do something I am not capable of pulling off. I get it. When you are good at something, it's very hard to remember what it was like to not be good at it.
That absolutely can and does happen a good bit.

Sometimes though the shot is a lot easier than the new player believes, and they don't know that yet because they rarely shoot that shot and instead always avoid it and just choose another option. If they would actually shoot it more often they would often find that their success rate is higher than they falsely believed it would be, something the better player knew. They would also often find that they could have learned the shot pretty quickly and easily had they not been avoiding it, and that it wasn't nearly as hard as it seemed, something the better player also knew.

One of these days you are going to look back on a lot of shots and think "I can't believe I used to think X, Y, or Z was difficult when they weren't. They just looked more difficult to me than they actually were and so I had a mental block against them. Of course I was going to struggle with shots I would refuse to shoot, because that is how you learn shots, by shooting them, and by shooting them a lot, which is the exact opposite of what I was doing by trying to always avoid them. It was a catch 22 that I was stuck in, don't shoot them because they are hard, but they only stayed "hard" because I was rarely willing to shoot them so of course I wasn't learning them."

Also it is sometimes the case that even if you are low odds to execute whatever the shot they are telling you to do, when all the factors were considered (such as your chances for getting an unintentional safe out of the shot, your chances for getting back to the table again, how many balls you and your opponent each had, how favorably the balls laid for you and opponent, your opponents relative skill level, etc) it still gave you the best option for ultimately winning the game over the choice you were wanting to make. You just couldn't see it, or even understand it once they explained it to you, because you simply lacked the experience to be able understand that the shot they wanted you to take was actually going to give you the best chance to ultimately win, whether it was on that turn or another.

Also always try to keep in mind that whether or not you win on that turn at the table is 100% immaterial, like seriously, you literally don't even consider that, yet more inexperienced players are unable to look ahead and calculate the odds a shot will ultimately help you win like an experienced player can. The only thing that is ever important--ever--is what shot gives you the best chance to ultimately/eventually win that game with all things considered, no matter how many turns it ultimately takes, and inexperienced players are just incredibly poor at being able to do that with any accuracy at all.
 
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