Jayson Shaw’s 832 World Record is Official

Having seen Mosconi shoot a number of times, when he was well past his prime, my opinion is that: had he been offered time on the same table as JS's run, and while in his prime, it would have gone something like this:

He would have walked in, taken his jacket and tie off, shot a couple of warm up racks and said, "Let's go." Then he would probably have run some number past JS's number, laid down his cue and said, "I'm hungry. Can we get a sandwich?" After eating he would have picked up his cue again, go well past 1,000 balls and then looked at Bobby and ask, "How long we going with this?" Then he would have run a few more and said, "Let me know when someone gets past this run and I'll come back beat that."

As to conditions? Probably the most pertinent one would be that Mosconi wouldn't need weeks of repeated attempts on perfect equipment and with ideal conditions. He was used to walking into a different pool room packed with people, 300 days a year, with a variety of environments, take two warm up racks, and run 100 virtually every place he played.

So, IMO, Mosconi would have run balls on the JS table for-ever.

Lou Figueroa
Mosconi run (any) vs Shaw run

Any critique?
 
Amen to that. Shaws table was ridiculously easy, as was Schmidts. At the Mosconi exhibitions I saw, in my home room, the table I played on almost daily, the conditions were definitely not conducive to running balls.

I the table I saw him play on several times was the front one pocket table, set up tighter than the rest.

Ran 100 on it like it was nothing.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Mosconi run (any) vs Shaw run

Any critique?

Tough to say, having been so many years.

But, if memory serves, as fast as JS shot, Mosconi shot faster. Mostly, I believe, because his CB traveled so little. It was just an inch here and then a few inches over there. His CB was always *just so* for another short, virtually straight in shot. He made running 100 look so stupidly easy you left one of his exhibitions thinking anyone (including yourself) should be able to do it. The one thing that was starkly different would be many of Mosconi's break shots. Whenever possible, he'd leave himself steep enough so that the CB did not go off the rack to the end rails with follow or draw. Mosconi's CB would, literally, fight its way straight through the stack, always emerging on the other side of the table with a shot. That alone was remarkable.

Lou Figueroa
 
Mosconi said it wouldn't be hard to run 1000. I believe him, not hard for him! A person would have to consider the sum total of the conditions Mosconi shot in and modern players shoot in. Pocket sizes or no, I believe that it is still easier to run balls in modern conditions.

Today's players are great but we will still be talking about Willie Mosconi when they are forgotten.

Hu
And all this from a guy who apparently didn't like to practice, hence his quote "I'd no sooner play pool in my spare time than a head waiter would come in and wait on tables on his day off"
 
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you know if both in their own primes on the same table. they would likely run around the same amount of balls.

and on easier equipment around a 1000 or more. only doing it differently for each one.
 
And all this from a guy who apparently didn't like to practice, hence his quote "I'd no sooner play pool in my spare time than a head waiter would come in and wait on tables in his day off"

One secret, Willie practiced very hard before major events. As a regular habit to tune to be a little bit better in exhibitions, if one or two exhibitions like he put on almost every day didn't keep you in tune nothing would.

I shot pool alone a lot. Drills or the same shot over and over didn't happen, a matter of patience. I didn't have any patience for shooting drills and such. I have never played computer games on the same basis as Willie. I drew with AutoCAD or Intergraph or maybe worked with other drawing related programs eight to ten hours a day. Playing games on a computer seemed so much like work I felt like I should be paid. No pay, no work.

Hu
 
Amen to that. Shaws table was ridiculously easy, as was Schmidts. At the Mosconi exhibitions I saw, in my home room, the table I played on almost daily, the conditions were definitely not conducive to running balls.
Mosconi was simply the greatest. We were good friends but I didn’t get to see him play in his prime. He told me that he ran 609 and quit because Flora told enough playing we have people waiting on us to go to dinner. Now as Jaysons table being ridiculously easy you are mistaken and compared to what? With new cloth as we all know the pockets are very forgiven but it’s much harder to control the cue ball and with straight pool you have to be on the right angles for position especially for break shots. I think I would know this 1st hand. Lol
 
Tough to say, having been so many years.

But, if memory serves, as fast as JS shot, Mosconi shot faster. Mostly, I believe, because his CB traveled so little. It was just an inch here and then a few inches over there. His CB was always *just so* for another short, virtually straight in shot. He made running 100 look so stupidly easy you left one of his exhibitions thinking anyone (including yourself) should be able to do it. The one thing that was starkly different would be many of Mosconi's break shots. Whenever possible, he'd leave himself steep enough so that the CB did not go off the rack to the end rails with follow or draw. Mosconi's CB would, literally, fight its way straight through the stack, always emerging on the other side of the table with a shot. That alone was remarkable.

Lou Figueroa
What about pattern play? I have this impression that Mosconi always played in the classical style of ball and pattern logic, playing deliberately tight patterns. Is there that much of a contrast to today's norm of devil may care just don't miss anything?
 
i believe and hope the bottom line purpose that world pro and shaw was not to specifically break mosconi's informal record.

but to just set the world record for most balls ran in 14.1.

and that is what they did.

jayson was beating his own record. some year(s) before he had beaten schmidts record.
 
What about pattern play? I have this impression that Mosconi always played in the classical style of ball and pattern logic, playing deliberately tight patterns. Is there that much of a contrast to today's norm of devil may care just don't miss anything?

Can't honestly say.

I saw Mosconi in the late 60's early 70's when I was a teenager and had just gotten bit by the pool bug. I wasn't qualified back then to analyze pattern play. I just knew he made it look ridiculously easy and I would have to say that to this day I've never seen another player shoot who made me feel that way.

Many, many years ago I read something on Mosconi that stuck with me. I believe he was asked something about his exhibitions and he said words to the effect: I'm on the road a lot and usually the rooms are pretty full because fathers bring their sons telling them, "Tonight you're going to see the greatest pool player who ever lived and a 100 ball run." And then Mosconi would come in and do it and fulfilled all those expectations. I can't imagine how he dealt with that but he was so good he could do it.

Lou Figueroa
 
the older tables and balls did not open much and you had to play a different game of more precise position and softer shots.

with balls closer together putting the cue ball say 10 inches getting it very close with in an inch might mean being able to make or not make the next ball.
with open tables you can be much farther off course.
 
Can't honestly say.

I saw Mosconi in the late 60's early 70's when I was a teenager and had just gotten bit by the pool bug. I wasn't qualified back then to analyze pattern play. I just knew he made it look ridiculously easy and I would have to say that to this day I've never seen another player shoot who made me feel that way.

Many, many years ago I read something on Mosconi that stuck with me. I believe he was asked something about his exhibitions and he said words to the effect: I'm on the road a lot and usually the rooms are pretty full because fathers bring their sons telling them, "Tonight you're going to see the greatest pool player who ever lived and a 100 ball run." And then Mosconi would come in and do it and fulfilled all those expectations. I can't imagine how he dealt with that but he was so good he could do it.

Lou Figueroa

That might have been the biggest reasons that Brunswick hung on to Willie so long. First, he had a ridiculous work ethic often putting on more than one exhibition a day. The other thing is people watching him that had never hit a ball would watch him and think they could be running a hundred in a few weeks. A very few might have made it look as easy, I don't think anyone ever made running racks look easier than he did.

I had been tuning my benchrest rifle for several hours when a pistol competitor friend came up. I let him shoot a group. First group he ever shot, under an eighth inch at a hundred yards with some coaching and being told when to shoot. He looked at me, "I think I could have done better if you let me do it my way." Without saying anything to me he went out and bought a rifle and a rest and a few things. I happened by the range when he was trying to shoot groups about six months later. "That isn't nearly as easy as I thought it was!" Willie and pool, watching him it seemed very easy.

Hu
 
i believe and hope the bottom line purpose that world pro and shaw was not to specifically break mosconi's informal record.

but to just set the world record for most balls ran in 14.1.

**Response From Wrldpro**
My purpose in having world champions try fair high runs of whatever numbers they end up with is to help gain more interest in straight pool. It’s personally my favorite game in Billiards. I’d like to see other people organize these like me but I understand it takes a huge bankroll and I love the game enough to fund it all 100% myself.
The idea wasn’t solely to beat Mosconi’s record as I figured if I put the best players on a free live stream it could create a buzz where people would watch a game that has lost its interest in playing by most players and to people that have never been exposed to seeing it played.
Jayson has made it perfectly clear to me he will keep on and on and on until he breaks a 1,000 ball run. Will he do it who knows, will someone else do it who knows but one thing is for certain I have some big news coming soon as I have talked to many World Champions this year and I have a brand new poolroom I just opened and every player I have spoke to so far wants to compete for high runs at the new poolroom and they all will get their shot at literally historic money that has never been heard of playing straight pool. There will be 12 players coming in 1 at a time and it will be the most exciting thing in straight pool for sure and each player and their play will be live streamed. How does that sound for breaking news? So stay tuned.
 
**Response From Wrldpro**
My purpose in having world champions try for
high runs of whatever numbers they end up with is to help gain more interest in straight pool. It’s personally my favorite game in Billiards. I’d like to see other people organize these like me but I understand it takes a huge bankroll and I love the game enough to fund it all 100% myself.
The idea wasn’t solely to beat Mosconi’s record as I figured if I put the best players on a free live stream it could create a buzz where people would watch a game that has lost its interest in playing by most players and to people that have never been exposed to seeing it played.
Jayson has made it perfectly clear to me he will keep on and on and on until he breaks a 1,000 ball run. Will he do it who knows, will someone else do it who knows but one thing is for certain I have some big news coming soon as I have talked to many World Champions this year and I have a brand new poolroom I just opened and every player I have spoke to so far wants to compete for high runs at the new poolroom and they all will get their shot at literally historic money that has never been heard of playing straight pool. There will be 12 players coming in 1 at a time and it will be the most exciting thing in straight pool for sure and each player and their play will be live streamed. How does that sound for breaking news? So stay tuned.
 
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