Matchroom Improvement list

Vahmurka said:
Watching how a David Alcaide vs Jaybee Sucal match ended made me think, Matchroom really has to keep track of earlier decisions they make.

Here is a quote from The Official World Nineball Tour Event Rules

12. Conceding
In all World Nineball Tour events concessions are not permitted. If a player concedes a rack or a match they will be reported to the Tournament Director for further sanctions.


That said, conceding a rack or match is explicitly forbidden in the World Nineball Tour event rules, according to Google's Gemini.
Now please tell me how Jaybee's move shuffling last two balls after he fouled is not a concession, technically 😆

(I know that is common when gambling in the Philippines, kind of acknowledging the rack is done and dusted; but here we are at a tournament, a major, with a written rule code, blah blah blah)
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it was single elim
 
I am going to geek out and allow the OCD, math, and logic in me run free:

1, 2, 3 are primary colors
1 = Yellow
2= Blue
3 = Red

Using a purely math progression:
4, SHOULD BE: 1 + 2, Yellow + Blue = Green;
5 SHOULD BE : 1 + 3, Yellow + Red = Orange;
6 SHOULD BE 2 + 3, Blue + Red = Purple
7 SHOULD BE mud-blood, Yellow + Blue + Red = Brown
8 SHOULD BE no color, i.e., Black
And of course the CB is all colors, White

But that's not how it was developed. 4 is Purple, 2 Blue + 3 Red; 5 is orange 1 Yellow + 3 Red; I don't agree but it's legacy.

I can almost see how the original colors were developed. 1 combo with 2; 2 combo with 3 for Purple for 4, 1 combo with 3 Orange for 5. So let's allow the long, long history of 4 Purple, 5 Orange and 6 Green stand.

It is egregious that the long-standing colors, needing to be adjusted to satisfy the requirements of clarity for TV screens, one color should NEVER have replaced a legacy color. It's that simple. F*$% purple 5's. I don't care how successful you are promoting the game. Violating history by reassigning a legacy color to a different number is simply wrong.

Color me blue for my relative inability to deal with grey; I'm a black-and-white person. (See what I did there? LOL)
 
jbart65 said:
Lots of criticism of WNT/Matchroom lately from some fans, players, influencers and sport VIPs like Yohan Ruysink.

Some of the criticism is quite fair. Some of it might be unreasonable given the financial and limited-audience realities of the sport.

Here’s my list of MR improvements I’d like to see. I’ll add extended commentary in a followup post.

1) Create and publish the schedule well in advance.

2) Collaborate better with WPA/Predator on scheduling.

3) Revamp and unify the point system. It’s too top heavy.

4) Improve and publish the rules on qualifying for invitational events.

5) Merit-based Reyes/Mosconi player selection.

6) Set and stick to an invitational lineup.

7) Stop playing favorites.

8) Reward top-ranked players.

9) Fix and improve WNT.TV.

10) Get rid of the purple 5 ball.
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And double the size of the numbers on the balls so they can be seen on screen.
 
On https://matchroompool.com/rankings/ , latest show they are sticking to selection criteria of 1st to 3rd ranked + 2 captain picks. Which means Filler and SVB are in.
Though nothing definitive yet cos MR is famous for moving the goalposts :ROFLMAO:

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I’ve watched a lot of Lukas this year. He’s made big progress, but he’s not even where Shane Woolford was two years ago. I think Lukas needs another year of progress to be considered for the Mosconi. Thorpe is a better player now. He’s arguably playing his best pool ever.

The key is Gorst and SVB playing like stars. They didn’t last year. The European Team has two rookies and it’s not as strong as usual. I think it will make for a more competitive Mosconi.
 
jbart65 said:
I’ve watched a lot of Lukas this year. He’s made big progress, but he’s not even where Shane Woolford was two years ago. I think Lukas needs another year of progress to be considered for the Mosconi. Thorpe is a better player now. He’s arguably playing his best pool ever.

The key is Gorst and SVB playing like stars. They didn’t last year. The European Team has two rookies and it’s not as strong as usual. I think it will make for a more competitive Mosconi.
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I say Lukas and Billy play a race to 21 for the spot. Let them earn it instead of picking your buddy like we all know Sky is gonna do.
 
jbart65 said:
I’ve watched a lot of Lukas this year. He’s made big progress, but he’s not even where Shane Woolford was two years ago. I think Lukas needs another year of progress to be considered for the Mosconi. Thorpe is a better player now. He’s arguably playing his best pool ever.

The key is Gorst and SVB playing like stars. They didn’t last year. The European Team has two rookies and it’s not as strong as usual. I think it will make for a more competitive Mosconi.
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"He's arguably playing his best pool ever"

That's not saying much, unfortunately.

He's playing his best pool ever but alas, a rookie has him beat in overall points and financial earnings, by $3,250.

It's sad that we need to go against a weaker Euro team with 2 rookies to even be considered to have a chance at winning lol.

If you're going by experience, then yes Thorpe is ahead of Lukas. But if we're talking drive, hunger, dedication, it's Lukas hands down. Those characteristics would help him do well in the MC. We've seen time and time again guys who play great all year then go stink it up at the MC, so why not give a new guy a chance, maybe it will yield different results.

Thorpe has had many chances, and has not done much with it when given these opportunities, so it's just frustrating to know he will get captains pick because he's best friends with Sky.

It'll be the same crap next year, I'm sure someone will be like "omg but Skyler played so good in that one tournament earlier this year in February, he deserves to be on the team" lol.

Why do you think Lukas needs another year under his belt to be considered for MC if he's currently above Thorpe in tourney results and $$?

The bar has been set way too low for our guys.

I don't mean to sound like a Thorpe hater, I used to like watching him a lot during his younger days coming up, but heck even Hunter Lombardo might fare better at MC than him. I'm just tired of seeing wasted potential I guess.
 
Good points. Reasonable perspective. I’m just not convinced Lukas wouldn’t get overwhelmed by the moment. Billy has beaten a lot of very good players this year. Lukas doesn’t have many big wins that I can recall. I simply think Billy gives the US a better chance to win.
 
Good news. Great to see Filler back. MR still needs to be more transparent and get the Reyes selection process right.

I admit, I wonder if SVB forced MR's hand. They could not keep out Josh and let Van Boening in after he missed a bunch of events. But it would have been a big black eye to remove Shane.

Filler does play in a Predator event in Spain shortly before the Mosconi.
 
VVP said:
Here is a solution that might satisfy everyone ... I am all for standardization of the ball set.
1,2,3 no change traditional/MR colors with the 2 dark blue like MR.
4 ball, use MR purple 5 which is a lighter color than the traditional so it is easily distinguishable from the blue 2 for color blind people
5 ball standard orange.
6 ball MR green, which is a lighter shade.
7 ball, maybe MR brown or somthing which stands out from red for us color blind people.
8 and 9 no change traditional/MR colors.
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I've been out of the loop for many years, but if I recall correctly, the main motivation of the change of colors going back was not to assist color blind people, but because it had some kind of preferable effect for television reproduction to distinguish the balls. I guess under lighting and the cameras of the day, there was an issue with the purple 4 and the maroon 7. So they made the 4 pink and the 7 brown. I never understood the issue whether watching old accustats vids that were on VHS, to the DVD days, or to today with digital between either the original ball colors vs the "tv" set balls. It seems like a solution to a problem that never existed, and just made things worse for the color blind.

I'm with you though, there should be a standardization of the ball colors. And given 1/20 males are color blind, this would be very helpful.

Now, the problem is this - some people are red/green, others are green/red colorblind. So there's no way to make it ideal for everyone. There's also different severity levels. People with moderate to severe color blindness are going to struggle no matter what you do.

However, I think it's logical to start with the traditional colors and work from there. Whomever came up the pool ball colors that became most common used a certain logic... primary colors, then secondary colors. See below

1,2,3 should have no change. These are primary colors. They are not composites of other colors.

The 4,5,6 are secondary colors, that is, each one is a mix of 2 primary colors. Purple is from blue/red. Orange is from yellow/red. Green from blue/yellow.

Then you get to the 7... It's maroon. That's just a deep red. So in the traditional set, 1 color gets "reused" just darkened. This to me has always been the odd ball. There's no other ball that's the same color just a deeper version, except for the 7.

8 ball don't count, because black is not a color, neither is white, nor is gray.

All that said ... for color blind people, the 2 and the 4 has always been the key problem. Whenever I have seen men confuse balls, it's always always the 2 and 4.

There's 2 strategies for making this better...

1. Use different colors that are distinguishable even for color blind people. (the con of this is changing the familiarity of the set for everyone, including for color blind people and that's annoying for us and them, Example, the abomination of the purple 5!!!)
2. Use darker/lighter hues of colors to create more separation between the balls. Think of this like "contrast"

When it comes to the 4 ball, making it pink solved that issue in the TV set but not in the best way. It's a big change since purple is one of the three main secondary colors derived from the 3 primary colors, and the 7 is still an issue - and pink a good available alternative got used on the 4. Purple should stay!!! Rather, it's better to just put more separation between the 2 and 4, by lightening the purple of the 4 or shifting the shade just a hair more violet.

This would save pink to be used for the 7 ball. Now you have full color uniqueness across the set without losing purple and keeping the order the same instead of moving traditional colors to new numbers. (again, the abomination of the purple 5, dumbest thing ever)

More benefits are the green doesn't need to be lightened much because it's no longer being confused with the 7. Brown for the 7 is awful. It's more confusion for color blind people between it an the 6 and sometimes even the 5 or 3. What a mess!!! Brown is a mix of red, blue and yellow which is the most problematic.

The ideal set would be: just fix the 2/4 confusion for the colorblind by adjusting the brightness/darkness of the 4, and get rid of the color duplication and confusion on the 7 by making it pink ball. This preserves the nice primary/secondary order of the colors, it's familiar to everyone, it's classic and the only thing that had to change was the 7, which was the odd ball color anyway in the logic scheme.

It almost reminds me of snooker a bit, as the pink is before the black. Works well!

That will probably never happen, because the reasons why these companies do things are probably quite different.

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Has ANYONE sent ANY of these 'suggestions'(more like dreams) to MR aka Emily Frazier or are they just fantasy league fodder? Unless someone that has actual decision power sees this it really is akin to farting in the wind.
 
Grilled Cheese said:
I've been out of the loop for many years, but if I recall correctly, the main motivation of the change of colors going back was not to assist color blind people, but because it had some kind of preferable effect for television reproduction to distinguish the balls. I guess under lighting and the cameras of the day, there was an issue with the purple 4 and the maroon 7. So they made the 4 pink and the 7 brown. I never understood the issue whether watching old accustats vids that were on VHS, to the DVD days, or to today with digital between either the original ball colors vs the "tv" set balls. It seems like a solution to a problem that never existed, and just made things worse for the color blind.

I'm with you though, there should be a standardization of the ball colors. And given 1/20 males are color blind, this would be very helpful.

Now, the problem is this - some people are red/green, others are green/red colorblind. So there's no way to make it ideal for everyone. There's also different severity levels. People with moderate to severe color blindness are going to struggle no matter what you do.

However, I think it's logical to start with the traditional colors and work from there. Whomever came up the pool ball colors that became most common used a certain logic... primary colors, then secondary colors. See below

1,2,3 should have no change. These are primary colors. They are not composites of other colors.

The 4,5,6 are secondary colors, that is, each one is a mix of 2 primary colors. Purple is from blue/red. Orange is from yellow/red. Green from blue/yellow.

Then you get to the 7... It's maroon. That's just a deep red. So in the traditional set, 1 color gets "reused" just darkened. This to me has always been the odd ball. There's no other ball that's the same color just a deeper version, except for the 7.

8 ball don't count, because black is not a color, neither is white, nor is gray.

All that said ... for color blind people, the 2 and the 4 has always been the key problem. Whenever I have seen men confuse balls, it's always always the 2 and 4.

There's 2 strategies for making this better...

1. Use different colors that are distinguishable even for color blind people. (the con of this is changing the familiarity of the set for everyone, including for color blind people and that's annoying for us and them, Example, the abomination of the purple 5!!!)
2. Use darker/lighter hues of colors to create more separation between the balls. Think of this like "contrast"

When it comes to the 4 ball, making it pink solved that issue in the TV set but not in the best way. It's a big change since purple is one of the three main secondary colors derived from the 3 primary colors, and the 7 is still an issue - and pink a good available alternative got used on the 4. Purple should stay!!! Rather, it's better to just put more separation between the 2 and 4, by lightening the purple of the 4 or shifting the shade just a hair more violet.

This would save pink to be used for the 7 ball. Now you have full color uniqueness across the set without losing purple and keeping the order the same instead of moving traditional colors to new numbers. (again, the abomination of the purple 5, dumbest thing ever)

More benefits are the green doesn't need to be lightened much because it's no longer being confused with the 7. Brown for the 7 is awful. It's more confusion for color blind people between it an the 6 and sometimes even the 5 or 3. What a mess!!! Brown is a mix of red, blue and yellow which is the most problematic.

The ideal set would be: just fix the 2/4 confusion for the colorblind by adjusting the brightness/darkness of the 4, and get rid of the color duplication and confusion on the 7 by making it pink ball. This preserves the nice primary/secondary order of the colors, it's familiar to everyone, it's classic and the only thing that had to change was the 7, which was the odd ball color anyway in the logic scheme.

It almost reminds me of snooker a bit, as the pink is before the black. Works well!

That will probably never happen, because the reasons why these companies do things are probably quite different.

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'Probably' never happen????? Seriously dude put the pipe down.
 
Shane and Tyler announced for the Mosconi today. Looks like Filler will be announced in the next day or two. Should be interesting. Albin Ouschan told Doggin It that Filler was excited to be back in the Mosconi.

Filler himself was watching the Philippines Open intently to see if anyone would pass him in points. When it was clear no one could, he wrote a short FB post about it.
 
jbart65 said:
Shane and Tyler announced for the Mosconi today. Looks like Filler will be announced in the next day or two. Should be interesting. Albin Ouschan told Doggin It that Filler was excited to be back in the Mosconi.

Filler himself was watching the Philippines Open intently to see if anyone would pass him in points. When it was clear no one could, he wrote a short FB post about it.
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Very nice. Sanity returns to the Mosconi. With Filler, SVB and Fedor there, it is as if Matchroom is reestablishing the Mosconi Cup as the gathering place for the greatest champions. The Filler vs Gorst matchup in singles instantly becomes one of the most anticipated matches of 2025. In Emily we trust.
 
dquarasr said:
I am going to geek out and allow the OCD, math, and logic in me run free:

1, 2, 3 are primary colors
1 = Yellow
2= Blue
3 = Red

Using a purely math progression:
4, SHOULD BE: 1 + 2, Yellow + Blue = Green;
5 SHOULD BE : 1 + 3, Yellow + Red = Orange;
6 SHOULD BE 2 + 3, Blue + Red = Purple
7 SHOULD BE mud-blood, Yellow + Blue + Red = Brown
8 SHOULD BE no color, i.e., Black
And of course the CB is all colors, White

But that's not how it was developed. 4 is Purple, 2 Blue + 3 Red; 5 is orange 1 Yellow + 3 Red; I don't agree but it's legacy.

I can almost see how the original colors were developed. 1 combo with 2; 2 combo with 3 for Purple for 4, 1 combo with 3 Orange for 5. So let's allow the long, long history of 4 Purple, 5 Orange and 6 Green stand.

It is egregious that the long-standing colors, needing to be adjusted to satisfy the requirements of clarity for TV screens, one color should NEVER have replaced a legacy color. It's that simple. F*$% purple 5's. I don't care how successful you are promoting the game. Violating history by reassigning a legacy color to a different number is simply wrong.

Color me blue for my relative inability to deal with grey; I'm a black-and-white person. (See what I did there? LOL)
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Thank you for this. I contend that there was no problem with the original ball colors on TV. All the cameramen had to do was close (pull in) on the balls to see any and all of them very clearly. That's called good camera work, which is often lacking in television and streaming matches.
 
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