When the smoke clears what does the MC actually do/show? To be brutally honest all it does is re-enforce just how bad we are at big table pool. Its only importance is what each viewer makes of it. Its a cash grab for MR just like the Ryder Cup is for the PGA. BTW, did anyone watch the RC this year? Its was embarrassing to watch American golf fans acts like that. Typical fkng NY'rs.
Mosconi Cup 2025, Dec. 3-6, Alexandra Palace, London
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The Euro MC mindset comes from the fact that in the early yrs. they were huge under-dogs. That horse has since left the barn. They have been the favorite for well over a decade. I've talked to a couple US players in the past and they said its a fun distraction from the daily pool grind but they don't lose any sleep over it. It will always be a bigger deal to UK/Euro fans than over here.
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They would destroy us at little table pool too
Ryder Cup same deal. It drives me nuts when some of the current players get heat for wanting a little cash. PGA of America makes a ton and the players get little. Players got roasted for wanting anything other than bad clothes and banquets. The addition of Ballesteros and the continent changed things and the Euro focus on the Ryder Cup did help them and the European Tour. But the Ryder Cup jumped the shark a while ago.
What happened to World Pool Masters and World Cup of Pool?
WPM also old event as old as MC but they did not hold it this year. Another favorite old event WPM not held for couple of years already.
Hype mainly due to MR cos this is biggest most profitable event within their pool portfolio. If full, gate collection alone this year will be million $$ not counting other revenue. Players like it cos of the guaranteed money fame fun. Fans obsess about it is cos biggest annual party gathering for fans.
All that does not make it most important event to win for the pro player. Outside of the WNT/MR universe, players will quietly say World Championships and majors more important titles to win
the people who like exhibitions can put as much importance on the event as they like
I'll guess that neither one attracted much live audience. MR may have reached the limit on how many events they can handle, and they had to prune.
All that does not make it most important event to win for the pro player. Outside of the WNT/MR universe, players will quietly say World Championships and majors more important titles to win
every single player will say the world championship. goes without saying
playing captains is a bad idea imo. but what team would you have picked?
Im talking about the money there making off of it. Revenue can't be that high. I don't watch a lot of live pool during the year. Other than you tube. So i wouldn't of seen the hype. I like the matches with no commentary.
So is this suppose to be, the biggest event of the year?
It is broadcast live in multiple countries. The broadcasters pay for the rights to broadcast it. The stream revenue is probably significant but smaller.
They are going to sell an average of something like 1500 seats for each of the four nights. The average seat is $100 or so. That's $150,000 per night in admissions. Of course, they also have something around 50 people staffing the event -- tickets, security, ushers -- and they have to arrange food/drink service for the VIP seats which get dinner and drinks included.
I think that the Mosconi Cup is the single most profitable Matchroom pool event.
Team USA wants to win the Mosconi Cup very badly. To put it in perspective, the $20,000 money difference between winning and losing is enormous in the context of what pool players clear in prize money each year. For America, there is also a pride thing. Team USA, winning just twice since 2009, has been pummeled on a fairly regular basis for 15 years now, and whatever they'd have you believe, it hurts and hurts a lot. It's an annual referendum on the state of American pool, and far too often, an embarrassing one.
As a fan, I'm jealous of how Europe keeps producing new elite players. The top two qualifiers on points this year for Team Europe were PLP winner Neuhausen and Hanoi Open winner Labutis, neither of whom has ever played for Team Europe before. Team USA will show up with the same squad that was manhandled last year, with no rookies and no young talent with which to build for the future.
I feel certain that Team USA will be heavily invested in trying to win the 2025 Mosconi Cup.
As a fan, I'm jealous of how Europe keeps producing new elite players. The top two qualifiers on points this year for Team Europe were PLP winner Neuhausen and Hanoi Open winner Labutis, neither of whom has ever played for Team Europe before. Team USA will show up with the same squad that was manhandled last year, with no rookies and no young talent with which to build for the future.
I feel certain that Team USA will be heavily invested in trying to win the 2025 Mosconi Cup.
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What pool event of ANY stature plays race-to-5 9ball? Answer, NONE of them. If you like made-4-tv exhibitions that's great but please don't try tell me this a serious event. An event that moves the pool 'needle'? Maybe. A fun diversion that pays decent? Yeah i'll go with that.
Even Jack Nicklaus once observed that without European superstars Langer and Ballesteros, now considered two of the best European golfers of all time, the Ryder Cup was not a fair fight. Once they opened things up, including all of Europe, the Ryder Cup became a much better event. Just like the Mosconi, however, it didn't become a great event until Europe won! Now the Ryder Cup is a fair fight that usually captures the public's imagination, even though the last one was marred by truly embarrassing behavior by the attendees.
As for the Mosconi, a hungry, determined, underdog always makes for good sport. The Mosconi has not only "not jumped the shark" but it has blossomed into pool's greatest festival. It's a fun, if not a serious event. Players are, once a year, asked to tolerate loud, rowdy fans, and as we shockingly saw at the 2024 Mosconi, sometimes even when they are down over the shot. The days of Michaela Tabb and Nigel Reese demanding better decorum from the crowd are long gone, so players are expected to deal with it.
For attendees, the Mosconi Cup has the feel of an annual reunion, the one you can't wait to attend. It offers that "we are family" vibe not found at any other event. To those who have never attended, I hope that you will, one day, get the chance.
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Thats what I thought, i was being sarcastic. Was wondering what all the hype is about.
That was well said.What happened to World Pool Masters and World Cup of Pool?
WPM also old event as old as MC but they did not hold it this year. Another favorite old event WPM not held for couple of years already.
Hype mainly due to MR cos this is biggest most profitable event within their pool portfolio. If full, gate collection alone this year will be million $$ not counting other revenue. Players like it cos of the guaranteed money fame fun. Fans obsess about it is cos biggest annual party gathering for fans.
All that does not make it most important event to win for the pro player. Outside of the WNT/MR universe, players will quietly say World Championships and majors more important titles to win
I would add, the worlds along with the US open. The two biggest to win. And the two with the biggest history.
Mosconi more about the rivalry now. Something that was really lacking in the reyes cup. It was really strange, seeing European and Americans on the same team.
I wonder why they didn't include last years, in that netflix doc on matchroom.
Those other sports, must be making a shed load in comparison.
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This. Team America cannot field a team that is even remotely competitive on a big track anymore. This makes the MC a yawn fest 
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I’m not sure they would be competitive on a small track either. The score might be a little closer but Europe would probably still win most of the time