Soft hitting custom cue maker cues?

You are the second person to correct me on this. I had a few schons and always found the hit to be soft. Maybe I had super soft tips on em. Or my memory is failing me. Either way, I guess I was wrong.
The first Schon I had actually had a pretty quiet hit to it. It played stiff but without the loud "PING" or "PLINK" sound. It was an earlier build from when they'd first switched to inlaid (rounded) points. I'm 99% sure the ferrule wasn't Westinghouse Micarta and I'm 100% sure it wasn't ivory. I traded it away years ago so there's no way for me to know now. Whatever it was, it was an off-white/cream color and was non-porous. I had it in the late 90's, so I don't think Juma was even around yet. Regardless, it hit and played great.
 
The first Schon I had actually had a pretty quiet hit to it. It played stiff but without the loud "PING" or "PLINK" sound. It was an earlier build from when they'd first switched to inlaid (rounded) points. I'm 99% sure the ferrule wasn't Westinghouse Micarta and I'm 100% sure it wasn't ivory. I traded it away years ago so there's no way for me to know now. Whatever it was, it was an off-white/cream color and was non-porous. I had it in the late 90's, so I don't think Juma was even around yet. Regardless, it hit and played great.
Probably an ivorine(lbm) of some sort.
 
Probably an ivorine(lbm) of some sort.
It might have been. I wasn't very familiar with ferrule materials back then and, besides recognizing the name, I'm still not familiar with Ivorine. I will say it didn't have weave to it like the LBM ferrules that came on the Samsara I had.

As I was typing that I decided to do some Google-Fu and the closest thing I could find that resembled what was on it is Super XTC from Atlas. I don't know how long that stuff has been around, but the descriptions on their page match that ferrule to a T.
 
It might have been. I wasn't very familiar with ferrule materials back then and, besides recognizing the name, I'm still not familiar with Ivorine. I will say it didn't have weave to it like the LBM ferrules that came on the Samsara I had.

As I was typing that I decided to do some Google-Fu and the closest thing I could find that resembled what was on it is Super XTC from Atlas. I don't know how long that stuff has been around, but the descriptions on their page match that ferrule to a T.
This has been covered on here a lot in the past. If you search schon ferrules it pops up. most have stated that after micarta schon switched to lbm of some sort. https://www.google.com/search?q=sch...rASEQrQIoAnoECBgQAw&biw=1408&bih=653&dpr=1.36
 
This has been covered on here a lot in the past. If you search schon ferrules it pops up. most have stated that after micarta schon switched to lbm of some sort. https://www.google.com/search?q=sch...rASEQrQIoAnoECBgQAw&biw=1408&bih=653&dpr=1.36
Oh, I'm very aware of that. I ordered a second shaft for it from Schon and it came with an LBM ferrule. It played like garbage compared to the original and the ferrules didn't look at all alike. Also, I did not get the cue new from Schon. It has seen plenty of action when I got it. So it's possible, likely even, the ferrule had been changed.

Also, I asked Atlas about Super XTC and they said it came out in 2012. So that wasn't it.
 
Oh, I'm very aware of that. I ordered a second shaft for it from Schon and it came with an LBM ferrule. It played like garbage compared to the original and the ferrules didn't look at all alike. Also, I did not get the cue new from Schon. It has seen plenty of action when I got it. So it's possible, likely even, the ferrule had been changed.

Also, I asked Atlas about Super XTC and they said it came out in 2012. So that wasn't it.
To be honest i've never really though about how a ferrule 'plays'. I've had just about everything made and this has never been an issue. I've got cues right now with ferrules ranging from ivory to current Schon LBM to juma. Just don't think about it i guess. The only one i didn't like were original Meucci's and that was just because they broke so easy. Played great if they lasted.
 
To be honest i've never really though about how a ferrule 'plays'. I've had just about everything made and this has never been an issue. I've got cues right now with ferrules ranging from ivory to current Schon LBM to juma. Just don't think about it i guess. The only one i didn't like were original Meucci's and that was just because they broke so easy. Played great if they lasted.
"Plays" probably isn't the right word on my end. "Sounds" is more accurate. I mean, to the best of my knowledge I've never missed a shot or position because of a ferrule. But I have hit a ball and winced because of the sound it made.
 
Basically all piloted steel joint Schon cues of alike weight and shaft size have a similar hit, i.e., firm.
Bob was known for workmanship, i.e.,meticulous construction. I have a custom Schon he built in ‘84.

p.s. My Scruggs is a radial pin and it plays like a cue you wished you could own and then I realize I do.
Runde Schon cues also were not cored. This gave the cue a solid firm hit.
 
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you should be able to get used to any cue within a few racks. or possible a few hours with some. other wise its mental.

when you feel the hit the cueball is already on its way so sayonara.
 
I use them on occasion like everybody else, but the terms "soft" and "hard" are extremely misleading as descriptors for the hit of pool cues. Aside from them being subjective things that we all experience very differently, those terms are also commonly used by people to describe two completely different things, and the person using them very rarely specifies which of those two things that they are talking about or if they are talking about both.

"Soft" and "hard" are very commonly used to describe how much/what type of vibration/hand shock they feel with their hands, but probably more with their stroking hand, and they are also very commonly used to describe how much shaft flex they can feel with their hands, but probably more with their bridge hand. Those are two very, very different things though that don't necessarily have to be related.

For anyone hoping to get half helpful cue brand suggestions from others it is always best to be very specific about what amount/type of hand shock you are looking for, AND what amount of shaft flex you are looking for, otherwise people are mostly just blind guessing about what you actually mean when you say "soft" or "hard" because people use those words for different things.

On a side note, for wood shafts, the only thing that really affects the amount of shaft flex is the shaft taper, shaft diameter, and the type of shaft wood, probably usually in about that order. For the felt hand shock, that is affected by the shaft material, the tip, the shaft taper, the shaft diameter, the ferrule, and the materials used in various other cue components, probably roughly in about that order most of the time.

Per posts #1 (wanting a "whippier hit") and #4 (not liking "crisp feedback") it seems you are wanting both to be "soft". To get that whippier shaft flex, you need to look for loooong shaft tapers, where the shaft diameter doesn't start increasing until as far from the tip as possible (aka a super long pro taper), and where when the diameter does finally start growing it does so as gradually as possible (see Earl Strickland's cue shafts for a good example). You can see/judge this pretty well even from pictures. This type of taper usually softens the hand shock feedback as well like you are looking for. To further get that softer feedback/hand shock you are wanting, the best thing you can do is put on a very soft tip like an Elk Master as others have mentioned. A loooong pro taper along with a soft tip (and probably a wood shaft rather than the stiffer carbon fiber) is going to be your ticket for getting the flex and feedback that you desire.
 
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