Advantages or Disadvantages does it make a difference Stepping into the shot vs. stepping back from the shot?

jlrowe

jlrowe

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Just wondering does stepping into the shot or stepping back really make any difference. I have always stepped into the shot and find most players do. So tonight i tried stepping my right foot back instead of stepping into the shot with my left foot (right handed of course). I actually feel that my head is more over the cue instead of under my right eye, cue is centered more under my chin. But the hard part is determining the distance of my bridge, how far i need to be standing back etc. Just totally different. I had never thought about this until i watched CJ Wiley's video on it. I think I am going to try this for a few days or a week to see if i can see any improvement.
 
My method has me holding the cue at the balance point and using the length of the cue to gage where I stand. Standing square to the shot with my belly button on the aiming line,. It's then a one two dance step with the rear foot back just a little and the front foot forward.
 
jlrowe said:
Just wondering does stepping into the shot or stepping back really make any difference. I have always stepped into the shot and find most players do. So tonight i tried stepping my right foot back instead of stepping into the shot with my left foot (right handed of course). I actually feel that my head is more over the cue instead of under my right eye, cue is centered more under my chin. But the hard part is determining the distance of my bridge, how far i need to be standing back etc. Just totally different. I had never thought about this until i watched CJ Wiley's video on it. I think I am going to try this for a few days or a week to see if i can see any improvement.
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Without ''seeing'' your step in then step back and then step in, I can only guess what needs fixing.
I taught a man in the late nineties that had good fundamentals, But I named his problem ''the creeping crab'', Why?
When he got Down on the shot and placed his hand on table he was in the correct shooting position and stance. BUT
On every shot he did this....
His bridge hand fingers Always crawled forward from his initial position, thus putting his stance out of balance.
 
I have been experimenting with this as well. The reason that it works for me is that the end result is that my weight is distributed more to my front foot and bridge, while the rear (step back) foot gets less weight than it would with the traditional "stepping in". This appears to address issues that I have with stance instability, and results in straighter alignment.

My guess is that most instructors would not approve, since none of them seem to teach it. You might want to post this in the Ask the Instructor sub-forum if you want their input.
 
trob said:
Everything works for Efren because he has god given ability we don’t lol
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If I remember, the nature vs nurture debate always got participation. Hand and eye coordination comes more easily for some. The practice practice practice adds such a fine edge when starting with natural ability. Didn't Efren sleep on or under the table when starting out? That along with practicing observed fluke shots to add to his repertoire made him GOAT.
 
gregcantrall said:
If I remember, the nature vs nurture debate always got participation. Hand and eye coordination comes more easily for some. The practice practice practice adds such a fine edge when starting with natural ability. Didn't Efren sleep on or under the table when starting out? That along with practicing observed fluke shots to add to his repertoire made him GOAT.
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I don't know how much talent Efren has. He certainly has some. He is also probably in the top 1% of people with the most cue time. He may be the single living person with the most cue time. Granted they weren't always pool balls which I think helps, not hurts, but has anyone alive hit more balls than Efren?

Since his "retirement" he seems to enjoy hitting balls and performing for the crowds more than ever. I think his greatest gift might be his love of hitting balls on a table.

It is going to be a sad day for cue sports when he passes. Some magic will disappear.

Hu
 
Disability vs Inability: 🤔
I practiced juggling while sitting the bench at Little League all star game. I didn't have the natural but I had good coaching.
My first coaching was Marine Corp.
It all starts with attitude. Hence my apprentices ass says mint of "Tiger on the front and Rabit on the back" was accurate. Humorously 🤷‍♂️
Oh yeah oh yeah catching at 8 for 12 year old pitchers. A 1950s glove with no web. 🤔 The black and blue palm forced the necessity of getting the padded part on the ball first but still under control. My best coaching was if you blink you will never be a champion.
 
Right on cowboy do whatever works for you , i play with a guy with the left leg amputated just above the knee and he's a good shooter. At 73 i just enjoy the game for whatever yrs are left not worried about the stance.
 
If you blink.
Triggers my favorite true story. Wink. At 8, I was in training as our team had The best catcher in the league. He sprained his glove thumb and I was called to duty. The chest protector drug the ground and the umpire often grabbed the back strap to pull my small ass back. 🤷‍♂️
The opposing team had a 12 year old pitcher that was 6 feet and 200 lbs. He hit the ball to the fence which was fielded and I got the throw as he touched 3rd. My coaching had me racing to him. The reasoning was if he dislodged the ball in the upcoming colision, the pitcher would have my back and hope I slowed him enough for the back up tag. 🤷‍♂️
I met him much closer to third Than home. I was full speed with ball protected As I had been coached.. Ahah my eyes were on his as my advantage was mobility er uh quick lateral movement at 60 lbs. He blinked as the colision was well arms length. His shoulder was down just like a charging bull. I was able to extend to arms length at the blink. Touched his shoulder and did the OH LAY like the bull fighter. 🤷‍♂️
 
gregcantrall said:
Disability vs Inability: 🤔
I practiced juggling while sitting the bench at Little League all star game. I didn't have the natural but I had good coaching.
My first coaching was Marine Corp.
It all starts with attitude. Hence my apprentices ass says mint of "Tiger on the front and Rabit on the back" was accurate. Humorously 🤷‍♂️
Oh yeah oh yeah catching at 8 for 12 year old pitchers. A 1950s glove with no web. 🤔 The black and blue palm forced the necessity of getting the padded part on the ball first but still under control. My best coaching was if you blink you will never be a champion.
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I have tried juggling many times. I wasn't talented and didn't have more than idle curiosity so I never learned to juggle. One thing I always remember about juggling though, it took J Michael Plaxco, a man very familiar with the mental game, three days or one hour to learn to juggle. As an experiment he physically tried to juggle for twenty minutes a day. He thought about juggling, juggling in his mind for two hours or longer each day. After three days he could juggle!

Hu
 
To refresh my 'Efren memory' i just went back and watched some. I wouldn't really call it 'stepping back, more of a neutral stance. This shit is just more of people waaaaaaaaaaay over thinking the game. Most good players do step-in to the shot but that doesn't mean another way won't work.
 
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ShootingArts said:
After three days he could juggle!
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I never did learn to surf or skate board. I tried. 🤷‍♂️ The water in Crescent City was just too damn cold. And state boards needed pavement. 🤷‍♂️ 😉
Hand and eye can be improved.
Good coaching sure helps. Study as well. The current snooker finals is of great value if trying to get better . Wst.tv has it for 14 bucks a month.
 
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