Custom and High End Cues on the Decline?

I guess it depends on what you mean by quality of the materials chosen, a CF cue transfers power more efficiently than MOST but not all wood cues, however the wood cue is dependent on the quality of the wood, the same type of wood can transfer power very differently, CF manufacturered by companies like Predator, Mezz, Becue will have consistent quality, I can't speak for cues/shafts coming from places that do zero testing and are selling on were the cheapest but generally products like those don't stand the test of time, the quality of materials in CF is going to be more consistent.

It’s been my experience that the best cue makers pay attention to their materials. They are very selective in what they buy. And they invest in a having a good inventory. Ernie Gutierrez epitomizes that approach as do many other noteworthy names. They have the best stock or access to it and pay close attention to how it matches the cue design.

They understand the anatomy of the pool cue and you don’t see light weight shafts. The best names always adhered to weight proportionality and that’s been the case for 50-60 years. Lightweight shafts are rare unless the customer wanted
more deflection. glued veneers are not rushed & get to sit for a couple months drying. You don’t see inlays, rings or veneers becoming raised and the shafts are commonly approaching 4 ozs. and heavier. It depends on what weight the butt is to maintain weight proportionality. Nothing was ever rushed.

The final cue price directly reflects the materials expense, the number of hrs. and cost of labor to complete the cue, allocation of fully absorbed hourly operating expenses inclusive of occupancy, equipment & maintenance, inventory, general administrative costs, insurance ( liability, worker’s comp, health, etc), advertising (marketing, trade shows, bldg.power and heating, literature, merchandise) and lastly markup for final profit. Custom cue makers don’t produce the volume that catalog type cue brands which can distribute through retailers and wholesalers, as well as direct.

Now does it mean your $5000 cue plays better than a $500 cue? It depends if there’s any differences. But keep in mind some cue makers can’t build what other cue makers can. I found out searching for 4 oz. uncored, sans any wt. insert, Kielwood shaft. It took me 3 months and talking with a lot of cue makers before I located someone who said, “No problem.” I spoke with over a dozen cue makers and only a handful were up to the task. A few told me it can’t be done because KW shafts come out lighter afterward. Well, I though that was a lame excuse when I heard it and then I learned they were terribly misinformed. I have two 29” KW shafts that weigh 4.0 & 4.15 ozs ( 12.6 & 12.75 mm) flat faced wood and no inserts were used. All you need to do this is procure the right weight blanks for your inventory.

Schmelke could do it but wanted to build 29.5” or 30” shafts. Jacoby eventually did it using 29.5” shafts but I had already ordered my KW shafts before they let me know. There are going to be other cue makers that could build what I wanted, like SC Diver who built a gorgeous curly maple KW shaft. I think individual cue makers can tackle what other firms are reluctant to do because it does not generate sufficient income to justify any special inventory requirements.

The reality of playing pool is a cue can make your playing time more enjoyable but it doesn’t make you a better player.
Remember that pool is always played between your ears before you stroke the cue ball. The player determines the shot
outcome, never the pool cue. It just helps the player to own and play with a cue that meets all of their expectations.
 
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I never owned what people call a High End Cue, maybe the James White was the highest.

I appreciate the Art, Beautiful Wood, Inlays, but decide long ago all that Ginger Bread did not enhance my skill or pool iq.

The only path to improvement is reading, watching, and last practicing.

I could got over to PXG, purchase a set of their Golf Clubs. The same set as a Top PHA Pro, I could not be any good at Golf with out thousands of hour of practice & plsy.

Tools, Cues, or Golf Clubs only work at full potential in the handof skilled professionals.

JMHO
 
I play with a Tiger sneaky with leather wrap i paid $600 CD funds for it 15yrs ago , Now it's $650 US at Seybert'
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s very nice player.
 
I never owned what people call a High End Cue, maybe the James White was the highest.

I appreciate the Art, Beautiful Wood, Inlays, but decide long ago all that Ginger Bread did not enhance my skill or pool iq.

The only path to improvement is reading, watching, and last practicing.

I could got over to PXG, purchase a set of their Golf Clubs. The same set as a Top PHA Pro, I could not be any good at Golf with out thousands of hour of practice & plsy.

Tools, Cues, or Golf Clubs only work at full potential in the handof skilled professionals.

JMHO
I think a high end cue is more about how it plays than how it looks, I know mine won't have a lot of resale value but the playability value for me makes it a cue worth it's weight in gold.
 
The high-end custom cue market is alive and well. It has always been a niche market, and it has definitely changed some over that last handful of years with the recent popularity of CF shafts. I suspect it will change some more before it’s all said and done.

Change or go extinct, and all of us involved with the ICCS now don’t want to see that latter option come to be, lol.

A lot of good things happened at our Chattanooga show recently and we hope to implement some new things these next few years to help grow collecting and introduce custom cues to the younger generation of players and fans.

Stay tuned for our next show in Sept ‘27 in Savannah GA. It will be by far the biggest and boldest endeavor yet for the International Cue Collectors Show!!!!!
 

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It’s been my experience that the best cue makers pay attention to their materials. They are very selective in what they buy. And they invest in a having a good inventory. Ernie Gutierrez epitomizes that approach as do many other noteworthy names. They have the best stock or access to it and pay close attention to how it matches the cue design.

They understand the anatomy of the pool cue and you don’t see light weight shafts. The best names always adhered to weight proportionality and that’s been the case for 50-60 years. Lightweight shafts are rare unless the customer wanted
more deflection. glued veneers are not rushed & get to sit for a couple months drying. You don’t see inlays, rings or veneers becoming raised and the shafts are commonly approaching 4 ozs. and heavier. It depends on what weight the butt is to maintain weight proportionality. Nothing was ever rushed.

The final cue price directly reflects the materials expense, the number of hrs. and cost of labor to complete the cue, allocation of fully absorbed hourly operating expenses inclusive of occupancy, equipment & maintenance, inventory, general administrative costs, insurance ( liability, worker’s comp, health, etc), advertising (marketing, trade shows, bldg.power and heating, literature, merchandise) and lastly markup for final profit. Custom cue makers don’t produce the volume that catalog type cue brands which can distribute through retailers and wholesalers, as well as direct.

Now does it mean your $5000 cue plays better than a $500 cue? It depends if there’s any differences. But keep in mind some cue makers can’t build what other cue makers can. I found out searching for 4 oz. uncored, sans any wt. insert, Kielwood shaft. It took me 3 months and talking with a lot of cue makers before I located someone who said, “No problem.” I spoke with over a dozen cue makers and only a handful were up to the task. A few told me it can’t be done because KW shafts come out lighter afterward. Well, I though that was a lame excuse when I heard it and then I learned they were terribly misinformed. I have two 29” KW shafts that weigh 4.0 & 4.15 ozs ( 12.6 & 12.75 mm) flat faced wood and no inserts were used. All you need to do this is procure the right weight blanks for your inventory.

Schmelke could do it but wanted to build 29.5” or 30” shafts. Jacoby eventually did it using 29.5” shafts but I had already ordered my KW shafts before they let me know. There are going to be other cue makers that could build what I wanted, like SC Diver who built a gorgeous curly maple KW shaft. I think individual cue makers can tackle what other firms are reluctant to do because it does not generate sufficient income to justify any special inventory requirements.

The reality of playing pool is a cue can make your playing time more enjoyable but it doesn’t make you a better player.
Remember that pool is always played between your ears before you stroke the cue ball. The player determines the shot
outcome, never the pool cue. It just helps the player to own and play with a cue that meets all of their expectations.
the reality is, a lot has changed over the course of the last 15 years. those few custom cuemakers have now multiplied due to the demand and growing popularity of pool. custom cuemaking is no longer a trade secret as the access to knowledge, tools, machinery, cheap materials and labor is as easy as they come if someone wanted to invest on. I believe even the old custom cuemakers also have transitioned or if not employ a more advance method on cuemaking to make them productive and the production less complicated and more practical. computerized design and calculations, laser or carbon fiber printing, resin application, etc... becomes more of a standard now.

point is, I believe cuemakers pay more attention now to detail than it was back then. Even some of the cheaper/affordable cues being sold now have great designs which is a far-fetched from the typical cheapo wrap decals of some cues back then. it could potentially that the old ways of some custom cuemakers would more likely price their cues for nostalgic value.
 
I would say custom and high end cues are not on the decline. There are numerous cuemakers both domestic and foreign but a much smaller number that have demonstrated that they make cues that play consistently well. Many of the cuemakers I know or sell have building waitlists that go several years. The market is dynamic and pool has been growing world wide. There are also tons of production cues of various qualities and prices.

People (and collectors) who value and can afford the cues from higher esteemed cuemakers keep the new and used custom and high end business going.

There’s also a certain amount of hype in the marketplace. I can’t understand how some new cuemakers somehow skip demonstrating they can make excellent playing cues but can adorn the cues with all sorts of fancy inlays and rings and suddenly ask (and get) crazy high prices for such cues. I’m not naming anybody in particular. It’s always let the buyer beware.
 
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I can’t understand how some new cuemakers somehow skip demonstrating they can make excellent playing cues but can adorn the cues with all sorts of fancy inlays and rings and suddenly ask (and get) crazy high prices for such cues. I’m not naming anybody in particular. It’s always let the buyer beware.
arrogance? I believe those cue are more intended for display but then that's just plain stupid.
 
When I was growing up (50s and 60s):
a) an auto mechanic could buy a house and support 4 children without his wife having to work.
b) a post office worker could afford a home, raise a family, and retire ...
c) a truck driver could afford a home, ...
d) a school teacher could ...
e) the CEO earned less than 100× that of the lowest payed worker ...

The thing is:: these are no longer possible--and that is the problem!
And.....Government was WAY smaller. THAT is the difference
 
Stephen Hendry won 7 worlds with a cheap cue ,i think you can buy a real good production cue for around $600.
NOBODY on this forum is Steven Hendry. Or Efren Reyes. Yes, agreed, just about anyone can probably find a $600 cue that maximizes their skill, but not everybody enjoys driving a Camry. Some people prefer to drive Corvettes, if they can.
 
I guess to each their own whatever you like sir, if you want to buy a 2k cue be my guest.
But my $600 cue will do more than i need.
I spent about double what you did on my cue but in the long run both will be relatively cheap, $1200 over 1 year would be $100 a month, over 10 years that is $12 a month, you will waste more than that at a convenience store buying stuff in the same amount of time but I'm willing to bet your cue will bring you FAR more enjoyment.....😉
 
I spent about double what you did on my cue but in the long run both will be relatively cheap, $1200 over 1 year would be $100 a month, over 10 years that is $12 a month, you will waste more than that at a convenience store buying stuff in the same amount of time but I'm willing to bet your cue will bring you FAR more enjoyment.....😉
too bad I also have other things aside from pool that I enjoy and they aint that cheap as well.
 
I guess to each their own whatever you like sir, if you want to buy a 2k cue be my guest.
But my $600 cue will do more than i need.
Probably even lower…..-$200-300. All a cue does is move the cue ball.

The player determines how accurately the CB strikes the OB, not the cue.
 
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