Solid vs layered tips

measureman

measureman

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I know this subject has been beat to death but here is my personal take on it.
I have been using solid tips for many years.
Recently I decided to give a layered tip a try.
I had an Everest installed and can not tell the difference from a solid tip.
The layered tip was $40 installed vs a solid tip at $23 installed.
I'm not going to do this again.
 
measureman said:
I know this subject has been beat to death but here is my personal take on it.
I have been using solid tips for many years.
Recently I decided to give a layered tip a try.
I had an Everest installed and can not tell the difference from a solid tip.
The layered tip was $40 installed vs a solid tip at $23 installed.
I'm not going to do this again.
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In my experience with layered tips is as they age the glue that holds the layers starts to cause glazing, I find that all leather tips get harder over time as well, I've been using Bulletproof Recoil tips since March of last year, it's a synthetic tip so the consistency from tip to tip is unreal, I'm using the Hard tip, there is another guy who went to the Med tip and said it played like a Med hard, my guess is you will start seeing changes after playing the new tip after a short while.
 
measureman said:
I know this subject has been beat to death but here is my personal take on it.
I have been using solid tips for many years.
Recently I decided to give a layered tip a try.
I had an Everest installed and can not tell the difference from a solid tip.
The layered tip was $40 installed vs a solid tip at $23 installed.
I'm not going to do this again.
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Many layered tips are over rated i.e. over priced. IMO

Kamui’s glazing issue is commonly complained about. Myself included. I’ve also tried others like Cadien, Emerald, Zan etc. All have played fine.

Haven’t had any issues with the glue lines. It’s a micro-thin edge of the glue that gets exposed which cannot really affect anything. It is the leather that gets smooth “glazed” due to how it was processed. Some like kamui are more prone to it.

Point is use single layer if you wish, but don’t give up on layered tips over price. Get a good, but reasonably priced tip. You can get an Ultraskin, SIB, or Thoroughbred installed for about the same price as a single layered tip. I’ve been just as happy if not more with these as I have been with the expensive ones I tried. There are other competitively priced tips such as Kamikaze and others, but I haven’t tried them yet.
 
measureman said:
I know this subject has been beat to death but here is my personal take on it.
I have been using solid tips for many years.
Recently I decided to give a layered tip a try.
I had an Everest installed and can not tell the difference from a solid tip.
The layered tip was $40 installed vs a solid tip at $23 installed.
I'm not going to do this again.
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Just wait till it glazes over. They're worse than solid-leather tips, at twice the price!
 
measureman said:
I know this subject has been beat to death but here is my personal take on it.
I have been using solid tips for many years.
Recently I decided to give a layered tip a try.
I had an Everest installed and can not tell the difference from a solid tip.
The layered tip was $40 installed vs a solid tip at $23 installed.
I'm not going to do this again.
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How long have you had the tip installed and play with it?
The benefits of layered tip are that they hold shape better, mushroom less and have a better consistency in feel.
you probably won't be able to tell the difference between newly installed layered tip and a newly installed solid tip with the same hardness.
With time, the difference is more noticeable but since we get used to things, you'll be able to noticed it more if you had two shafts with the two tips and you get to use them both over the same period of time.
Bottom line, layered tip needs less maintenance. It's not about the feel that much.
 
skor said:
How long have you had the tip installed and play with it?
The benefits of layered tip are that they hold shape better, mushroom less and have a better consistency in feel.
you probably won't be able to tell the difference between newly installed layered tip and a newly installed solid tip with the same hardness.
With time, the difference is more noticeable but since we get used to things, you'll be able to noticed it more if you had two shafts with the two tips and you get to use them both over the same period of time.
Bottom line, layered tip needs less maintenance. It's not about the feel that much.
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With me, it's about the consistency. I like one piece fine... when you get a good one.
 
I'm not very picky when it comes to this kind of thing, but what keeps me using layered is the consistency. Single layer tips are all over the place for hardness and quality, and if you can't grade them before installing or the person installing them can't do it, good luck.
If you want cheap, just get some Ultraskins, they're ~$3 each if you buy in bulk. I've bought lots of them, and can't recall ever getting a bad one.
 
Hard pressed Triangles for me.
The guys that are fiddling with their tips all of the time are doing so because they are playing with layered tips.
Hard pressed single layers, set em and forget em.
Run a Williards over it every once in a while.
 
measureman said:
I know this subject has been beat to death but here is my personal take on it.
I have been using solid tips for many years.
Recently I decided to give a layered tip a try.
I had an Everest installed and can not tell the difference from a solid tip.
The layered tip was $40 installed vs a solid tip at $23 installed.
I'm not going to do this again.
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One thing i would say on that, is you paid double, what an everest goes for online.
so i can understand the expectation. I recently just spent $30 on a jump tip.i seen the reviews. But again you never know.
 
philly said:
Hard pressed Triangles for me.
The guys that are fiddling with their tips all of the time are doing so because they are playing with layered tips.
Hard pressed single layers, set em and forget em.
Run a Williards over it every once in a while.
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If you want a consistent, solid tip, these are the way to go. There is something about triangles, when you get one, you like. They play amazing well, i agree too, tips today are way overpriced. Nothing wrong, with staying with what you know works!!
 
I also was a single layer Triangle guy forever. Then the quality and consistency from tip to tip started varying wildly, so I started pressing them to overcome that. Recently even that solution didn’t solve the issue to my satisfaction, so I started looking for a new choice.

After a lot of research and talking to other players I know and respect, I switched recently to a layered Zan Hard. Atlas Billiard Supply is an authorized distributor so I could trust it wasn’t a fake, they’re $23 a pop. So far a month and a half in, I couldn’t be happier, 0 mushrooming, great playability, no glazing. Also per a trusted friend who has been using them for years, he says the consistency from tip to tip is always excellent. So far, so good.
 
measureman said:
I'm not going to do this again.
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I play duds and they never mushroom or glaze. I can't remember the last time I even shaped one.
I can do everything with the dud that I was able to do with layered tips.
Justify your purchase any way you wish but layered tips do not outperform pressed single-layer tips, they just cost more.
 
Cue Alchemist said:
One thing i would say on that, is you paid double, what an everest goes for online.
so i can understand the expectation. I recently just spent $30 on a jump tip.i seen the reviews. But again you never know.
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$20 for the tip and $20 for the install labor,crazy!
 
I’ve got a tiger sniper. Been on my cue for over 2 years and I had never had to do anything with it. Guys I play with have gone through 2 or 3 tips in that time. Mine still has loads left and I probably play more often than the other guys. What does this mean?
Are the others grinding their tips down somehow or am I very gentle with it. I chalk after every shot but don’t grind it!
 
JolietJames said:
I play duds and they never mushroom or glaze. I can't remember the last time I even shaped one.
I can do everything with the dud that I was able to do with layered tips.
Justify your purchase any way you wish but layered tips do not outperform pressed single-layer tips, they just cost more.
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every tip glazes
every tip mushrooms, some more than others
some less
no tip holds the same shape it has when installed over any significant amount of time
 
Monti said:
I’ve got a tiger sniper. Been on my cue for over 2 years and I had never had to do anything with it. Guys I play with have gone through 2 or 3 tips in that time. Mine still has loads left and I probably play more often than the other guys. What does this mean?
Are the others grinding their tips down somehow or am I very gentle with it. I chalk after every shot but don’t grind it!
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ive used snipers since ive used cuetec cues. never changed one until it got low enough to miscue which took some time

i lightly run a shaper over it to scuff it each day i play
its very durable in that even tho i scuff daily, it doesnt grind down at all and they last a long time once broken in at that sweet spot
very very consistent tips with such a nice hit to them
 
Texas Carom Club said:
every tip glazes
every tip mushrooms, some more than others
some less
no tip holds the same shape it has when installed over any significant amount of time
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I have had this dud on my player for at least six months.
I probably play 3-6 hours per week.
It has not glazed or mushroomed in that time.
Once or twice a year I will lightly scuff the tip to help it hold chalk whether it needs it or not.
Keep in mind that the duds are not as tall as new layered tips. This could be the reason none have ever mushroomed on me.
I used the snipers when I first got the Cynergy. I liked them but switched back to the dud.
 
measureman said:
I know this subject has been beat to death but here is my personal take on it.
I have been using solid tips for many years.
Recently I decided to give a layered tip a try.
I had an Everest installed and can not tell the difference from a solid tip.
The layered tip was $40 installed vs a solid tip at $23 installed.
I'm not going to do this again.
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I'm on the solid tip bandwagon too. I've tried a dozen layered tips out of the probably hundreds out there.

IMO some layered are good, some are crap. About the best thing that can be said for the good ones is they are consistent through batches. With the bad ones or poorly installed, I've had layers de laminate, glue specs on the CB, glazing etc. A bad one piece tip can glaze so that's within the realm of all tips.

I'm not a hater or anything but I really don't see anything a $30 layered tip can do that a $5 or under single layer can do. No extra longevity, special properties or anything. There are "budget" layered that are good and around $5-10 which are talked about on here. They are reasonable and good tips but again, they aren't doing anything a non layered tip can do.
 
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