tip technology - hardness at center different from hardness at edges

Good Lord. You waited 5 years to respond to an apparent dig, when you clearly said "I don’t pay attention very long to insignificant things"? You need to let go my Friend. Brian.
If someone throws shade at me, it is coming right back at after I learn about it. I didn’t notice the age of the other guy’s post. I dunno who he is so he’s inconsequential. I posted it wasn’t a good idea for a pool product but I’ll still salute those with entrepreneurial spirit to develop a new product. This particular one made very little sense and just seemed impractical.
 
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A friend of mine who owns a tip company may has something coming which may change things a lot…
how about ordering tips that are the exact size of yours and go on without needing any shaping after.

have a small adjustable tube that slides over your ferrel and then put the glued tip inside and it fits securely on, no shaping.
 
how about ordering tips that are the exact size of yours and go on without needing any shaping after.

have a small adjustable tube that slides over your ferrel and then put the glued tip inside and it fits securely on, no shaping.
That's one of the issues with the soft core tips, it has to be perfectly centered and it's size specific. Some adjustability but would need to be in .2 mm increments. One of the reasons I haven't brought them to market along with the materials issues.

The other problem is that shafts aren't exactly sized. With Carbon shafts it's become more homogenized, but there is still some variation.
 
no reason a person cant mic. his tip size, and you or someone can cut down tips to be that exact size.

its all done on a cnc machine anyway.

i would pay more for that. i bet others would. instead of having to go to a tip person and wait for it to be done, and spend 40 bucks.
 
no reason a person cant mic. his tip size, and you or someone can cut down tips to be that exact size.

its all done on a cnc machine anyway.

i would pay more for that. i bet others would. instead of having to go to a tip person and wait for it to be done, and spend 40 bucks.
I would like that as well, but unfortunately the place I asked for doesn't accept something with a carbon fiber shaft. so I ended up doing it myself which I no longer mind since I'm getting proficient at it. still not perfect but atleast getting to the point that installing tips is just second nature. resizing the tip to a perfect 11.5mm though is my only concern since I'm still leaving a slight allowance on the sides and don't want to shave it off further down which is still fine. by my assessment, it should be around 12mm. as far as shaping, I have no problems using my tip tool to what degree I shape it.
 
Not an advertising gimmick. I machined a piece of a harder material (type of material is a trade secret) and drilled a hole in the middle of a leather tip the same size so that the machined piece acted as a backing of the tip and had a rod that went through the center of the leather. When glued in place and machined with a radius there is no real transition and it works brilliantly. It's not a marketing gimmick, but they are much more expensive to make than a traditional layered leather tip.

Jaden

p.s. as far as having a soft core tip, that's a process I'm keeping to myself until I've had the opportunity to more fully test. As stated the original design had materials issues and longevity wasn't where it should be.
Don't feel like the lone ranger.
Pooldawg8 had to stop making Milk Duds bcuz he couldn't get enuf good tips from an entire box anymore.
 
I would like that as well, but unfortunately the place I asked for doesn't accept something with a carbon fiber shaft. so I ended up doing it myself which I no longer mind since I'm getting proficient at it. still not perfect but atleast getting to the point that installing tips is just second nature. resizing the tip to a perfect 11.5mm though is my only concern since I'm still leaving a slight allowance on the sides and don't want to shave it off further down which is still fine. by my assessment, it should be around 12mm. as far as shaping, I have no problems using my tip tool to what degree I shape it.
I could design a tip trimming tool that would adjust to a shaft size if people might be interested in that. It would at least get it really close and then can be sanded the last fractions of mm by hand.

It would be something that would slide over the end of the shaft and would be pulled down trimming as it is pulled down.
 
cant you size tips to the exact mm size someone asks for?. then no trimming needed. put on and play almost immediately.

you could also then sell any brand of tip to satisfy all.

this way people can pop off a tip and try a different one and even put back the one they took off.
 
I could design a tip trimming tool that would adjust to a shaft size if people might be interested in that. It would at least get it really close and then can be sanded the last fractions of mm by hand.

It would be something that would slide over the end of the shaft and would be pulled down trimming as it is pulled down.
you are not talking about this one, are you?
 
cant you size tips to the exact mm size someone asks for?. then no trimming needed. put on and play almost immediately.

you could also then sell any brand of tip to satisfy all.

this way people can pop off a tip and try a different one and even put back the one they took off.
I was hoping that we have manufacturers that sell tips of typical sizes now that are already cut and shaped. do they still expect people to play with 14mm tips? pretty much the standard now is less than 13mm. hopefully they get the drift. also, I hate using the typical trimmer/sharpener. they don't cut good. I find doing it manually with a box cutter faster and much better.
 
Similar. but what I was envisioning would automatically adjust size to your shaft and you wouldn't have to rotate it, you would just push the handle down and it would auto adjust and rotate cutting the tip close to the diameter of the shaft.
I think you could do that with a fairly simple attachment to a Dremel tool.

I don't have any problem trimming and smoothing with a sharp knife and sand paper. Here's a video:

 
I think you could do that with a fairly simple attachment to a Dremel tool.

I don't have any problem trimming and smoothing with a sharp knife and sand paper. Here's a video:

I was considering a dremel for convenience but then a dremel is quite expensive just for that purpose. if I was a handyman and doing a lot of work, I would have no problem purchasing one. having said that, let me look at the used market.
 
I've seen this in some new designed tips for example TOAM fusion and ZAN. Probably some more have designed such tips where the companies states that the tip is engineered to have softer edges and in the middle they are a bit harder. They claim that the design of harder center gives more power transmission and the softer edges for maximum control? I really don't know how they came up with that claim.

Bob Meucci on the other hand has an old lesson video available on YouTube from 2015, in that video he speaks of tip ultimate shape and he also spoke during the video about how it is beneficial to have a harder edges and softer center which is in his explanation the best hardness of a tip, he claims what one can do is to pound the edges hard after installation.

So you can see where I am going with this, both of these guys gave claims (The companies harder center and soft edges, Bob harder edges and soft center) claiming that it is better but they have opposing views. My question for you guys, do you get why would one want one or the other? And is it really beneficial if you have tried one.

If yes, then which one is the correct claim.

P.S. Here's the video from where bob talks about the shape and hardness, go to the 3:20 in the video.
The TAOM Fusion tip was the last tip I tried before going to the Bulletproof Recoil tip, I thought it would be similar to the Kamui Athlete tip but it was much harder, I was not a fan of hard tips but if I try a new tip I like to give it a couple of months before giving up on it, after a while I grew to like a hard tip, the Bulletproof Recoil tip is a BCA legal synthetic tip, not leather, I was reluctant to try it but it wouldn't be the first tip I tried and moved on from, it's been almost a year and I love these tips, I knew it within the first hour of playing with them, I don't know what the other tips play like but after a year I like these tips better than I first got it, if you're searching it's worth a look.
 
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