Thoughts ... Russian Kenny is out of prision

jay helfert said:
One more on Cliff, who I happen to like very much but he has/had a major gambling problem. I stake him in the U.S. Bar Table Championships; travel money, free room, food allowance daily and paid entry fees. Probably cost me less than a thousand all told back then. He wins both divisions for 5K each plus the $1,000 bonus for winning both. 11K Total. I feel generous, take nothing off the top and split it 50-50 with him. We go down to the cage to get the money and maybe ten guys are following us. I ask Cliff "What's all this?" He says he owed all of them 100 each! He had been borrowing money to take a shot at the dice every night.

So we get the money and he pays all these guys but still has maybe $4,500 left. I go to my room and advise him to do the same. About 2 AM there's a knock on my door. It's Cliff, "Can I borrow some money?" WTF! He said he had some bad luck in the casino and just needed 300. Can I give it to him? I'm too sleepy to argue and hand him the money. An hour later, knock knock again. Guess who? Now he wants 300 more to buy a ticket to get back home to Atlanta. This time I tell him to let me hold your cue. It's a sweet hitting Meucci. He gives me the cue and I give him another 300. I find out later he lost that money too and ended up taking a bus home. He never bailed out the cue and I finally sold it for 300 a couple of years later.

I have some stories involving well known players who begged, borrowed and literally stole money from me. But these will go with me to my grave. In the end my conclusion was that I'd rather be on my end of it then theirs.

I cannot fault Cliff too much. We made money together when he was in his prime. He just couldn't hold onto his end.
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If you know and can say, where is cliff? Haven’t heard any mention of him lately. Thx
 
yea jay, morgan put on good exhibitions for a real creep but it kept him in money.

my favorite guys for them was norm weber and cue ball kelly. both put on great ones. and were decent guys when i knew them.

and weenie beenie showing trick shots. and he understood how the balls worked better than anyone and found dead complicated shots that no one else would see.

there were certainly others i didnt see but those were my favorites.
 
2ND CHANCES ARE FOR SUCKERS! 😂
Known Kenny since I 1st saw him at the green room over in Jersey around 2002 or so, at their monday night tournament. He has been annoying since day 1.
And I actually don't mind him as a person now because he's less annoying than he used to be.
But the ONLY thing that has really changed in that time, is that he can actually play pool now.

If you bet this guy and a 3rd party neutral person isn't holding the post money, you are a straight up retard.

Just saw this get posted up on FB.
I wonder what the story is on how he robbed THIS guy. 😂

Just a matter of time before he ends up back in the can for something. 😂
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I replied this comment to the FB comment superstar posted above on FB. Big Tyme wrote back asking if I wanted to bet if he'd get paid. I said no, I don't bet on dumb stuff. Then he deleted my entire comment and blocked me from his whole page and tournament. hahaha. I guess Big Tyme doesn't have big tyme skin! hahaha.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
2ND CHANCES ARE FOR SUCKERS! 😂
Known Kenny since I 1st saw him at the green room over in Jersey around 2002 or so, at their monday night tournament. He has been annoying since day 1.
And I actually don't mind him as a person now because he's less annoying than he used to be.
But the ONLY thing that has really changed in that time, is that he can actually play pool now.

If you bet this guy and a 3rd party neutral person isn't holding the post money, you are a straight up retard.

Just saw this get posted up on FB.
I wonder what the story is on how he robbed THIS guy. 😂

Just a matter of time before he ends up back in the can for something. 😂View attachment 877292
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misspelled name? kiril is a russian name, kriel i've never heard or seen. rutman makes more sense as a russian (minority) name
 
how dumb can someone be to let a person other than a close friend who has money get deep into them. any big bet the money goes up unless you absolutely know the guy always pays off.

with many even the posted money needs to be secured.
 
u12armresl said:
You know better than anyone Jay, if you had to guess the over under, what is Cliff's "can I hold" unpaid amount over his lifetime?
He bit me in Indy for a room, food, tournament and a ride, then as I'm walking out of the room, cash.
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Back when The DCC was at the Ex West there was a good 10 ball ring game in the bar area for $100 a man.

Cliff caught a gear and was robbing it and it finally ended.

Hooker was staking Cliff and we’re sitting around after and Gene says it’s about time he made money betting on Cliff.

So someone asked Gene what he thought he was stuck staking Cliff and Hooker says…”including the dumps?”…😂😂😂
 
if in the know and can handicap well, you can make some big money buying the right players. or just side betting properly.

money moves like the tide. it all goes in the same direction.
 
I sat through Chris Miller selling a Calcutta back in 2013?
I was chatting with Joey A and Gray Ghost at the time. It was amusing, as it was my first time seeing this. Robley and Bigtruck were also hanging out with us.
 
philly said:
Yup. Hate calcuttas. They extend already long tournaments. Just do a side pot. The guys running the Calcuttas love to hear themselves talk and the degenerate gamblers love it too.
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I like Calcuttas especially when I get paid, its often more money than the tournament winnings, but I hate that they drag them out so long. Apparently they think if they drag them out longer that they will collect more money, I dont think thats true.
 
fastone371 said:
I like Calcuttas especially when I get paid, its often more money than the tournament winnings, but I hate that they drag them out so long. Apparently they think if they drag them out longer that they will collect more money, I dont think thats true.
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I understand. A lot of people like Calcuttas.
 
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