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Just watching a live stream and it occurred to me. Are there any other tables other then Diamond that are used today? That is some domination of a market.
Diamond table domination
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I think about 95% of new installations over the past 20 years were Diamond. So yes, they are dominating.
Brunswick just re-entered the commercial space, and we may start seeing new GC7's installed. Rassoon and Predator have been out about 5 years in the USA, but haven't made much headway from what I've seen vs Diamond.
Brunswick just re-entered the commercial space, and we may start seeing new GC7's installed. Rassoon and Predator have been out about 5 years in the USA, but haven't made much headway from what I've seen vs Diamond.
Once I get my new Diamond Professional and it's as good as advertised I might end up endorsing Diamond.
If that happens, then, yes, obviously, it will be absolute and complete total domination.
If that happens, then, yes, obviously, it will be absolute and complete total domination.
There might be good money involved.
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.. Diamond wants up
Ah yes, Diamond is holding their breath waiting for your very important endorsement. I'm sure you will be the one to tip the scale.
This is big. Diamond’s anniversary table will be The Diamond Denomination. Buyers will wait years for theirs.
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In the US, Diamond leads the way by a huge margin. At least when it comes to places that host events and have serious competitions that is.
I for one, wish there were more variance not less. Having said that I recently played a long session on a predator bar table and it was pretty much the worst table I ever played on that didn't have dead rails or was horribly beat up. Angles were so far away from standard and the rails were clearly a 1/16th low or something. Just a bad product.
Brunswick can't be taken seriously for pool rooms in the US when they want 20% more than Diamond. I had the pleasure of playing on a new gold crown at a friends house and it was every bit as good as any diamond but what pool room owner is going to pay 2-3000 more for one? Shame really
Haven't had the pleasure of playing on any Rassons but a few friends whose opinions I value highly have told me they like them.
Gabriels makes awesome tables of all kinds but have yet to break into the US market really for pool tables.
Anyway, yeah it's Diamond's show.
I for one, wish there were more variance not less. Having said that I recently played a long session on a predator bar table and it was pretty much the worst table I ever played on that didn't have dead rails or was horribly beat up. Angles were so far away from standard and the rails were clearly a 1/16th low or something. Just a bad product.
Brunswick can't be taken seriously for pool rooms in the US when they want 20% more than Diamond. I had the pleasure of playing on a new gold crown at a friends house and it was every bit as good as any diamond but what pool room owner is going to pay 2-3000 more for one? Shame really
Haven't had the pleasure of playing on any Rassons but a few friends whose opinions I value highly have told me they like them.
Gabriels makes awesome tables of all kinds but have yet to break into the US market really for pool tables.
Anyway, yeah it's Diamond's show.
from Rasson that is becoming seen all too often because of Emily Frazier’s taking essentially what was a large bribe to name it the official table of the WNT.
Diamond won and Brunswick lost- end of story. Brunswick’s most recent attempt to come back into the market at such a high price point with Chinese tables is a joke, IMO . Maybe the 7 plays like a Diamond IDK - but Brunswick lost their way in pool way back in the 80s /90s as a possible future leader that just let it all slip away concerning their billiard business.
I personally will not support Brunswick’s recent forays and refused to invest in a 7 for my new home- I am not a Diamond guy- so I went with a 3, the last ones made here in America.
I personally will not support Brunswick’s recent forays and refused to invest in a 7 for my new home- I am not a Diamond guy- so I went with a 3, the last ones made here in America.
Actually the 3 was the first 'outsourced Gold Crown', foreign parts slapped together here. The last truly US built GC was the 2. IMO the Brunswick name, in pool anyway, would have better served if the home corp. had sold it off years ago. As B'wickCorp spread its tentacles pool became a very low priority. They made most of their $$ from marine products and they basically paid lip service to pool. Diamond is a US company run by pool players/fans. They saw a hole in the market and moved in. Quite a story really.
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If Diamond had professional teams to deliver/ set up they would be the perfect table.
the guys in ok city(AJ Gill) that do local stuff do a great job. i know a few that bought thru them and no complaints.
Forest City Billiards has three Gabriel’s. They played very well. They are all aluminum without a center beam, let’s see how they play in 10-20 years after the slates sag in the middle. Fargo billiards has Gabriel’s last time I was there 15 years ago. They probably aren’t the aluminum one used today.
Almost 1000 pounds without a center support may be an issue for sure
That's great for the lucky ones near them, the so called professional that delivered and setup mine in Wisconsin was a total hack. Inexcusable for a business that does this for a profession, it's not rocket science, they just want to get it assembled and out the door as fast as possible, damm the results. This is the one, and common problem heard of purchasing and buying a Diamond table.
This should not be, Diamond should be requiring from their sellers and installers the training needed to do a professional install. A one day class should be all that would be required. Auto manufacture, boat engine manufacture, union trades and many others require those who sell and service their prod to have the correct knowledge in how to do so, Diamond should step to do the correct thing and do so also. Granted on the internet you hear mainly complaints but not many compliments when tables are installed right, but their are a lot what appear to be justified complaints of new Diamond table installs, especially 3 piece ones.
I'm assuming you brought all this to Diamond's attention. What did the say?
My understanding is that the Brunswick GC 3 moved mid stream -about mid 80s to outsourcing more of the GC 3 components from outside the U.S. - 76 to mid 80 GC3s were a U.S. product - all GC3s fully assembled here, It was really the 4s that went closer 100% foreign outsourced components and perhaps assembly as well.
Could be. I was always told that GC3's were all built from outsourced parts. Some early 3's used left-over 1/2 frames but those didn't last long. I just msg'd Glen on this. He'll know for sure. UPDATE: Glen echoed pretty much what mikem said in that they started using GC4 parts towards the latter part of GC3 days. GC4's were assembled here from imported(Mex,Braz,China) parts. IIRC they went all-China around 2003ish.
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