Dr. Dave ....

[TheRooster]

An interesting point from all of this is that for higher deflection cues, the amount of spin imparted is slightly less sensitive to tip contact point error. On the other hand, for lower deflection cues, the amount of cueball deflection is less sensitive to tip contact point error. I think the cueball deflection is more significant, but this is a tradeoff that I had not considered before.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

The "effective tip offset" is the same for both cues. They have the same miscue limit, even though the "actual tip offset" looks different.

Oh - I guess I misunderstood something. Thanks again.

pj
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[dr_dave]

An interesting point from all of this is that for higher deflection cues, the amount of spin imparted is slightly less sensitive to tip contact point error. On the other hand, for lower deflection cues, the amount of cueball deflection is less sensitive to tip contact point error. I think the cueball deflection is more significant, but this is a tradeoff that I had not considered before.

Good observations, but be aware that the illustrations are very exaggerated (to make the effects clearly visible). The differences you are talking about here (in quote above) are probably too small to be of any practical importance when comparing typical LD and non-LD shafts.

 

[alphadog]

Good observations, but be aware that the illustrations are very exaggerated (to make the effects clearly visible). The differences you are talking about here (in quote above) are probably too small to be of any practical importance when comparing typical LD and non-LD shafts.

So why LD ?

 

[dr_dave]

So why LD ?

The subtle effects mentioned above are of no practical importance, but the differences in CB deflection between an LD and non-LD shaft do have practical importance.

Also, see:

and:

advantages of an LD shaft​

 

[vincett]

The subtle effects mentioned above are of no practical importance, but the differences in CB deflection between an LD and non-LD shaft do have practical importance.

Also, see:

and:

advantages of an LD shaft​

Thank you for the physics and sciences behind these mechanics. It opened up a lot more understanding and the foundations behind it for myself and many others.

I also agreed that LD shaft are hugely depending on the person. Your play styles, personality, will be the determination factors. I see a lot of Ralph Eckert trick shots and he appears to use the common woodshaft (not LD) in his routines. He is legendary in his own rights. Like the Fouette shots, you just can not pull that with Carbon fiber

I think the common Wood Shaft can make the cueball to be lively, or having a lot of actions by itself.

 

[nataddrho]

Like the Fouette shots, you just can not pull that with Carbon fiber

I think the common Wood Shaft can make the cueball to be lively, or having a lot of actions by itself.

You certainly can perform Fouetté shots with a carbon fiber shaft. I definitely do.

The material that the shaft is made of does not have any influence on shot performance or possibilities. The only influence it has is on the tangential force vector component.

It is up to the player to adjust for the difference between cue line and shot line.

For example, I played pool today with a house cue and I hated it. Way too much squirt for what I am used to using. But that doesn’t mean the cue plays better or worse than anything else. I am just used to a very specific shot line cue line adjustment.

 

[vincett]

You certainly can perform Fouetté shots with a carbon fiber shaft. I definitely do.

The material that the shaft is made of does not have any influence on shot performance or possibilities. The only influence it has is on the tangential force vector component.

It is up to the player to adjust for the difference between cue line and shot line.

For example, I played pool today with a house cue and I hated it. Way too much squirt for what I am used to using. But that doesn’t mean the cue plays better or worse than anything else. I am just used to a very specific shot line cue line adjustment.

Show me a clip where you do a fouette shot with carbon fiber shaft please. I would love to see it

 

[nataddrho]

Sure thing! I’ll make one this week

 

[TheRooster]

You certainly can perform Fouetté shots with a carbon fiber shaft. I definitely do.

I think that because of the usually higher stiffness of a carbon fiber shaft, it would at least be more difficult to perform a Fouetté shot without secondary contact. The slightly different initial cue direction might also allow a higher deflection shaft to avoid secondary contact with the cueball more easily on certain shots.

 

[vincett]

Different carbon shaft can certainly be having more deflection than others. However, it cant be having as much deflection as a classic solid wood shaft. Hence I am interested to see his fouette shot.

 

[TheRooster]

Different carbon shaft can certainly be having more deflection than others. However, it cant be having as much deflection as a classic solid wood shaft. Hence I am interested to see his fouette shot.

I'm not sure if deflection directly contributes to the difficulty of a Fouetté shot. I'd like to hear more thoughts on this.

 

[straightline]

I'm not sure if deflection directly contributes to the difficulty of a Fouetté shot. I'd like to hear more thoughts on this.

The lower mass could facilitate the tip getting out the way?

 

[TheRooster]

The lower mass could facilitate the tip getting out the way?

If the shaft had similar bending stiffness to one with higher end mass, this is probably true. Generally CF shafts are higher bending stiffness. Maybe an LD wood shaft would be best?

 

[vincett]

If the shaft had similar bending stiffness to one with higher end mass, this is probably true. Generally CF shafts are higher bending stiffness. Maybe an LD wood shaft would be best?

Carbon fiber can flex but it flexes back much faster than wood. The Meucci Carbon Pro can flex some, but it still too stiff when compared to the true wood shaft. Lets wait for his clip and see. Ralph Eckert is still legendary within all of his magics, and he doesnt use carbon fiber for sure

 

[straightline]

If the shaft had similar bending stiffness to one with higher end mass, this is probably true. Generally CF shafts are higher bending stiffness. Maybe an LD wood shaft would be best?

Nothing to venture there. It might be possible to fade the stroke deftly enough. Nataddrho doesn't make false claims. Gotta wait I guess.

 

[straightline]

Carbon fiber can flex but it flexes back much faster than wood. The Meucci Carbon Pro can flex some, but it still too stiff when compared to the true wood shaft. Lets wait for his clip and see. Ralph Eckert is still legendary within all of his magics, and he doesnt use carbon fiber for sure

Does the fouette transfer depend on a whippy shaft?

 

[vincett]

Nothing to venture there. It might be possible to fade the stroke deftly enough. Nataddrho doesn't make false claims. gotta wait I guess.

What blows my mind is that Dr.Dave and Venom stated that in order to do a proper Fouette shots without fouls , you need a whippy wood shaft....or regular deflection shaft

 

[straightline]

What blows my mind is that Dr.Dave and Venom stated that in order to do a proper Fouette shots without fouls , you need a whippy wood shaft....or regular deflection shaft

The plot thickens...

 

[dr_dave]

What blows my mind is that Dr.Dave and Venom stated that in order to do a proper Fouette shots without fouls , you need a whippy wood shaft....or regular deflection shaft

I didn’t say anything about “wood” or “regular deflection,” but a “whippy” shaft (regardless of what is made of) can certainly make these shots easier. And a whippy shaft can certainly be LD.