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No, nice try. I have been a farmer my entire life. I’m 67. The change in the weather is dramatic, and undeniable. The advances in seed technology and seed treatments, have taken advantage of the change in the weather, which is dramatic. This technology would have no effect, if the climate hadn’t changed.
 
Jimmorrison said:
No, nice try. I have been a farmer my entire life. I’m 67. The change in the weather is dramatic, and undeniable. The advances in seed technology and seed treatments, have taken advantage of the change in the weather, which is dramatic. This technology would have no effect, if the climate hadn’t changed.
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Nope.

I'm no farmer, but I grew up in the Midwest.

Remember "knee high by the 4th of July"? Or was that before your time?

Regardless, it hasn't been valid for a long time now. We plant earlier now not because the weather has changed, but because we developed the technology to allow us to plant in cooler soil temperatures...



Top Early Corn Varieties

These varieties are specifically bred for early maturity and the ability to germinate in cooler spring soils.
  • Early Sunglow Hybrid: Often cited as the gold standard for early planting, it is noted for its "cold weather performance". It matures in roughly 62–68 days and grows on compact 4-foot stalks.
  • Northern Xtra Sweet Hybrid: A super-sweet (sh2) variety specifically recommended for northern growers because it can emerge while the soil is still cool from winter.
  • Trinity & Fast Lane: Popular choices for Zone 5 climates (like Quebec) known for their early-season reliability.
  • Earlivee & Quickie: Additional early-maturing varieties that can be planted 4 to 6 weeks before the last frost date in some areas.
  • Bolt XR & Kickoff XR: Commercial-grade early bicolor hybrids often used by market gardeners for their fast turnaround.
Key Planting Strategies for an Early Start
To successfully plant corn earlier than the standard window, consider these professional tips:
  • Wait for 50°F Soil: While some treated seeds can survive at 40°F, most experts recommend waiting until the soil is consistently above 50°F to avoid "imbibitional chilling injury".
  • Use Treated Seeds: Seeds treated with fungicides are highly recommended for early planting to prevent rot and "damping-off" diseases while the seed sits in cold, damp soil.
  • Opt for "Light" Soil: If possible, plant early corn in sandy or loamy soils. These "light" soils dry out and warm up faster in the spring than heavy clay soils.
  • Protective Coverings: Using plastic tunnels or "cloches" can trap extra heat in the soil, helping seedlings shoot up faster after the first sunny days.
  • Deep Planting: For the earliest crops, planting slightly deeper (about 1.5 to 2 inches) can provide a more stable temperature environment for the germinating
 
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Rusty in Montana said:
My example is after Mount Saint Helen's erupted then the volcano in the Philippines followed suit our weather patterns shifted for whatever reason.
Our what we knew as a normal winter of cold to subzero temps shifted to the East and we started to experience mild weather and much less snow accumulations which in the Eastern parts of the US started getting .

I've collected this data for over 65 years of living in Montana with a few short stays elsewhere but mainly within the state .
You're results may vary , you may want to try and convince me differently but it won't ha ha as no matter what happens to change it some middle Eastern countries and Europe chances are will continue to do whatever we're not supposed to do .

For instance we've got Ethanol added to our gasoline which basically is alcohol if you ask anyone who has ran a drag racing car which is using alcohol for fuel , the fuel line has to be much larger in diameter than before to get the amount of horse power they demand .
It's the same in our every day driving vehicles , since I own what some of you may call old junker's ha ha which is ok I have to use the premium no lead without Ethanol as in my small engines , weed eaters and chain saws , or my snowmobile for when we do get dumped on with snow like we used to do in the days of my youth .

We've also had a time of warmer temps that would run for basically 2-3 weeks which was long enough to get the long haired predators that lay down to rest of sleep on the snow , their body heat melts the snow and the hair may have moisture around it which can freeze to a certain degree this is what the fur industry calls the guard hair and it gets pulled out when it leaves it's bed , they walk down game trails through the brush and get burrs in there fur and when they remove them more of the guard hair is pulled out because of the level of snow has diminished so they aren't traveling above the brush like they once had .

Then after the 2 - 3 weeks the weather changes slowly back to more snow accumulations and colder temps which were a direct impact on my income for many years as I tried single handily to meet the needs of people all over the world who wanted to wear real fur products for real people !
I'm sure this may make me a target for some but this was what many may call a side hustle to help pay the bills .
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Rusty, I thought I knew a little bit about wildlife, especially in my home state. That is until I read the pamphlet wildlife and fisheries puts out every year. I suspect very few know an alligator is a fur bearing animal. I know it is true, the gubment says so!

I have seen thousands of alligators over the years, still haven't found any fur! Still looking for the one wildlife and fisheries saw though. I figure that one alligator with fur will be worth a fortune!

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Rusty, I thought I knew a little bit about wildlife, especially in my home state. That is until I read the pamphlet wildlife and fisheries puts out every year. I suspect very few know an alligator is a fur bearing animal. I know it is true, the gubment says so!

I have seen thousands of alligators over the years, still haven't found any fur! Still looking for the one wildlife and fisheries saw though. I figure that one alligator with fur will be worth a fortune!

Hu
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In warm climates alligators don't need fur lining but in cold climates crocs are fur lined. Lol
 

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David in FL said:
Nope.

I'm no farmer, but I grew up in the Midwest.

Remember "knee high by the 4th of July"? Or was that before your time?

Regardless, it hasn't been valid for a long time now. We plant earlier now not because the weather has changed, but because we developed the technology to allow us to plant in cooler soil temperatures...



Top Early Corn Varieties

These varieties are specifically bred for early maturity and the ability to germinate in cooler spring soils.
  • Early Sunglow Hybrid: Often cited as the gold standard for early planting, it is noted for its "cold weather performance". It matures in roughly 62–68 days and grows on compact 4-foot stalks.
  • Northern Xtra Sweet Hybrid: A super-sweet (sh2) variety specifically recommended for northern growers because it can emerge while the soil is still cool from winter.
  • Trinity & Fast Lane: Popular choices for Zone 5 climates (like Quebec) known for their early-season reliability.
  • Earlivee & Quickie: Additional early-maturing varieties that can be planted 4 to 6 weeks before the last frost date in some areas.
  • Bolt XR & Kickoff XR: Commercial-grade early bicolor hybrids often used by market gardeners for their fast turnaround.
Key Planting Strategies for an Early Start
To successfully plant corn earlier than the standard window, consider these professional tips:
  • Wait for 50°F Soil: While some treated seeds can survive at 40°F, most experts recommend waiting until the soil is consistently above 50°F to avoid "imbibitional chilling injury".
  • Use Treated Seeds: Seeds treated with fungicides are highly recommended for early planting to prevent rot and "damping-off" diseases while the seed sits in cold, damp soil.
  • Opt for "Light" Soil: If possible, plant early corn in sandy or loamy soils. These "light" soils dry out and warm up faster in the spring than heavy clay soils.
  • Protective Coverings: Using plastic tunnels or "cloches" can trap extra heat in the soil, helping seedlings shoot up faster after the first sunny days.
  • Deep Planting: For the earliest crops, planting slightly deeper (about 1.5 to 2 inches) can provide a more stable temperature environment for the germinating
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Yes, modern seed treatments prevent the seed from rotting, in cooler soil temperatures. This allows earlier planting dates. The part you can’t quite get, the soil temps are warmer, much earlier. This is just an actual, verified, fact. The soil, at planting depth, warms to a viable temperature, at a much earlier date. This is the wrong thread for this, out.
 
Inferno said:
Even Flat Earthers have arguments for why they're denying the science. It's all hooey but they think it's real.
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I didn't say a damn thing about whatever "science" either of you want to embrace.

I simply posted the fact that hybrid crops have been develop specifically to allow for earlier planting and harvesting.

I provided information in support of that. If you have something to counter that, I'd be more than willing to listen...
 
David in FL said:
I didn't say a damn thing about whatever "science" either of you want to embrace.

I simply posted the fact that hybrid crops have been develop specifically to allow for earlier planting and harvesting.

I provided information in support of that. If you have something to counter that, I'd be more than willing to listen...
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OK, I can play

David in FL said:
Wait for 50°F Soil: While some treated seeds can survive at 40°F, most experts recommend waiting until the soil is consistently above 50°F to avoid "imbibitional chilling injury".
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The soil is getting to 50°F sooner now than it was 30 years ago.
 
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The soil is getting to 50°F sooner now than it was 30 years ago.
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Interestingly...

Soil temperatures in the U.S. Corn Belt have generally trended higher over the last 30 years, driven by overall warming trends, particularly during winters and springs
. Average air temperatures in key states like Iowa, Illinois, and Minnesota have risen by approximately 3.1 to 4.3 degrees Fahrenheit between 1995 and 2023, which directly influences soil warming.

Key changes in soil temperatures over the last few decades include:
  • Earlier Spring Warm-up: The dates when average soil temperatures at a 4-inch depth reach the 50–60°F threshold necessary for planting have shifted 1 to 3 weeks earlier in the 2000s compared to the 1990s.



Given that, and given that we're now planting 6 weeks earlier than 30 years ago it would appear that crop technology likely has more to do with the ability to plant/harvest earlier than soil temperature change lone.

Interesting nonetheless...
 
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