Predator Shaft Query

Kjackxon

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Note: This is a duplicate from another forum, and I couldn’t figure out how to move it.
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I recently experienced a discomforting experience during a match. For the second time in 20 years of use, the tip from my Predator BKII break stick detached and came off.

I’d purchased the shaft with a customized layered Samsera hard tip, instead of the standard tip. I’d shaped it down over the years, and it was due for a new tip.

Before I get into the issue, I want to say that I bear some of the accountability for what I’m going to explain. Mine is related to knowledge and trust that the person who is working on my equipment is qualified to work on the brand. The person who installed the new tip in my opinion, had little to no experience with Predator cue repair. The management was very helpful in listening to my concerns. I had to speak with them initially about handing back a cue with an unpolished ferrule. Something didn’t seem right with that, and now this.

I’ve copied my response to management below. My question is this? What would be my expectation for a product that’s still popular today. I’d expect full restitution.
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I believe that I understand the issue better. The cue technician had brought the shaft over to show something that had him puzzled. He told me that it looked like a silencer pad, but wasn't sure. We passed the shaft over to another employee (Dave?) and he couldn't figure out what it was, other that it had some relationship to the CF inner core. We decided to remove the piece, as it "appeared" to be separate from the shaft. Unaware to anyone, the piece was the shaft boilerplate, which is a T shaped extension that sits on top of the ferrule.

I did some research and found that the boilerplate was a critical part of the BK shaft. All Predator shafts feature a Vault Plate, which is a ferrule-less construction that enhances sighting and accuracy. Predator shafts also feature a V-Tek fiber tip silencer, which helps reduce noise during play.

In my opinion, the cue technician who worked on the cue was not adequately trained on Predator equipment. I would not be surprised if grinding down the plate had caused the glue issue. I know from the experience that Predator is very specific about gluing tips. Since the tip had a silencer pad installed, I don't believe it was an issue. The pad did separate too, and was not found.

Before leaving the facility, I expressed my concern about the cue technician's knowledge of Predator cues. He just wasn't sure of himself.

I'll bring the cue in next week, and determine how to proceed with this situation.

- Thanks!
 
You said that 'We' decided to remove the piece that you now know was a boilerplate. Sorry sir, but it sounds like you granted permission at that point. Granted the cue tech should have been more knowledgeable, but you told him to proceed with the removal and repair.
 
You said that 'We' decided to remove the piece that you now know was a boilerplate. Sorry sir, but it sounds like you granted permission at that point. Granted the cue tech should have been more knowledgeable, but you told him to proceed with the removal and repair.
Agree here. Based on the op's description(was a tad hard to follow btw) he's on the hook for further repairs. If the repair dude fixes it great but from where i'm standing its the owner's deal now.
 
It seems like we don’t have a response from a knowledgeable Predator cue tech. The technician told me that it “appeared” to have been a carbon fiber customization. For those who have believed that a Predator shaft is no different than any other, you are WRONG.
I paid for parts and labor. My expectation is that the cue technician is being paid for a service.
Regardless of consent, would you want to find out why that carbon fiber collar belonged on the cue?
Only one who knows nothing about Predator would respond like that.
 
It seems like we don’t have a response from a knowledgeable Predator cue tech. The technician told me that it “appeared” to have been a carbon fiber customization. For those who have believed that a Predator shaft is no different than any other, you are WRONG.
I paid for parts and labor. My expectation is that the cue technician is being paid for a service.
Regardless of consent, would you want to find out why that carbon fiber collar belonged on the cue?
Only one who knows nothing about Predator would respond like that.
Dude. Do you really think Predator is some high tech NASA stuff?
Anyone who do this for a living has seen all of these shafts, taken them a part and repaired them and know how they are constructed. You don't have to be a Predator tech. Your answer gives me the impression you have read their marketing and maybe taken it a bit to serious...
 
It seems like we don’t have a response from a knowledgeable Predator cue tech. The technician told me that it “appeared” to have been a carbon fiber customization. For those who have believed that a Predator shaft is no different than any other, you are WRONG.
I paid for parts and labor. My expectation is that the cue technician is being paid for a service.
Regardless of consent, would you want to find out why that carbon fiber collar belonged on the cue?
Only one who knows nothing about Predator would respond like that.
Look bud, Predator doesn't have licensed repair shops. This is clearly stated on their site. They want buyers to send the cue/shaft back to them for inspection followed by possible repair/replacement. You wanna get pissy about something YOU chose to do probably won't endear you to anyone here. BTW, their warranty ONLY covers manufacturing defects, choosing to have an outside agency touch the cue/shaft voids it.
 
Dude. Do you really think Predator is some high tech NASA stuff?
Anyone who do this for a living has seen all of these shafts, taken them a part and repaired them and know how they are constructed. You don't have to be a Predator tech. Your answer gives me the impression you have read their marketing and maybe taken it a bit to serious...
I want to respond directly to you. This was not a generic cue. I clearly identified the cue, and was told that they were familiar with the cue. My concern was that the cue technician wasn’t experienced. The fact that the cue tip came off so quickly is not surprising. It’s after I’d discovered that he’d botched the job that has me upset.
POOR WORKMANSHIP
 
Look bud, Predator doesn't have licensed repair shops. This is clearly stated on their site. They want buyers to send the cue/shaft back to them for inspection followed by possible repair/replacement. You wanna get pissy about something YOU chose to do probably won't endear you to anyone here. BTW, their warranty ONLY covers manufacturing defects, choosing to have an outside agency touch the cue/shaft voids it.
I didn’t mean to ignite a debate. I chose to have my cue professionally serviced. The guy handed me back the thing, and didn’t even bother to polish up the ferrule. That led me to this. There’s nothing that anyone can say to excuse this hack job. Let’s call it like it is.
 
Look bud, Predator doesn't have licensed repair shops. This is clearly stated on their site. They want buyers to send the cue/shaft back to them for inspection followed by possible repair/replacement. You wanna get pissy about something YOU chose to do probably won't endear you to anyone here. BTW, their warranty ONLY covers manufacturing defects, choosing to have an outside agency touch the cue/shaft voids it.
Yeah - But wouldn’t you have at least checked?
Wait - I’m not talking to a professional cue repair guy.
 
I want to respond directly to you. This was not a generic cue. I clearly identified the cue, and was told that they were familiar with the cue. My concern was that the cue technician wasn’t experienced. The fact that the cue tip came off so quickly is not surprising. It’s after I’d discovered that he’d botched the job that has me upset.
POOR WORKMANSHIP
That why a picture would be so helpful..
It's hard to diagnose problems without actually seeing what's going on, and even then, sometimes the only solution is to have the thing in your hand. It's not that I'm grumpy just because I'm old (although it might be a component, just turned 50..) It's the fact that every cuemaker or cue repair guy or Cue technician as you call it. (Which sound much more fancy..) Has answered a million vague questions and have to deal with people who think they know stuff, but it turns out they are clueless on a regular basis.
 
One last thing: if we're talking about a wood BK2 shaft that plate is just called a 'tip plate', never heard 'boilerplate' used in regards to these shafts. Should not be hard to fix.
 
One last thing: if we're talking about a wood BK2 shaft that plate is just called a 'tip plate', never heard 'boilerplate' used in regards to these shafts. Should not be hard to fix.
Nope -
It’s called the “T-Extension” which is a plate of carbon fiber which the shock absorber pad sits on. Every BK model has that type of configuration. It’s glued right on top of the ferrule.
 
"The tip technology with the phenolic tip and carbon fiber plate, provides maximum energy transfer for a wood shaft"
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One last thing: if we're talking about a wood BK2 shaft that plate is just called a 'tip plate', never heard 'boilerplate' used in regards to these shafts. Should not be hard to fix.
Sorry - it’s called the “vault plate.”
 
Sorry - it’s called the “vault plate.”
That’s the feedback that I’d gotten from the tech. It made me a bit uncomfortable. Hey - The tip came off and exposed the dirt. Anyone knows how seeing a tip fly off during a match can be.
 
Now we’re on the same page. The cue technician couldn’t understand why it was there.
It's there to spread the impact forces. It's a pretty common design, Predator aren't the only ones using that design. OB shafts used a similar pad and many CF shafts with very short ferrules uses a pad to spread the load and also dampen vibrations.
 
One last thing: if we're talking about a wood BK2 shaft that plate is just called a 'tip plate', never heard 'boilerplate' used in regards to these shafts. Should not be hard to fix.
Sorry - It “functions” like a boilerplate according to their website.
Just post a picture.
Samsara tips can pop off if they aren't prepped right.
You are using very confusing language, that doesn't help.
Predator shafts isn't more difficult to work on than any other brands, granted you know what you are doing.
 

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