Man, pool halls are dangerous
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I hate carrying. Almost impossible to find a gun that is comfortable to carry and won't print that still works well. It is easy to start asking if you really need to carry that day. Thing is, if you knew when the gun would be needed, why the hell would you put yourself in that situation?
I carry the Commander a few times a year these days. The rest of the time I carry a tiny gun that won't print. Odds are when I need a gun I will have a .380 on me. Well tested and with ammo I trust. Far too many people buy a gun for self defense and never shoot it. I recommend at least one box of ammo every three months hoping they will shoot at least every six months. I saw the duty rig of a New Orleans cop; leather rig with the gun and rig covered with green mold. It was completely locked into one piece, that gun was as useless as teats on a boar hog!
Concealed carry testing isn't demanding. You don't drop any points if you can keep all shots in a B-27 seven ring at close range. The range officer shot competition with those of us qualifying that day. After a couple stages of standing around waiting for time limits to expire he said this is silly, just shoot. I qualified with the Commander and a SP-101 in 357. Everything in the X ring. Perfect score on the written test too. Then I had the range owner sign and date both targets and saved them. Shoot, don't shoot, scenarios are the main thing to know and obey. I think it would be damned hard to have somebody shoot at you and then hold your fire the instant they turn their back but that is the law. A restriction that cops don't have to meet!
I have heard it argued in legal cases that a LEO can't be expected to hold fire in less than two seconds. Why should civilians be held to a higher standard than supposedly trained LEO's?
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In that story I told in my other post that happened last month it would have been easy to panic and pull my gun and shoot finding the guy in my house. Getting out of the house myself and safe was a better choice.
Can you imagine what I would be dealing with now if I had shot the guy. Even if I wasn't charged with anything. You always have the civil end as well.
You are right of course. You don't defend yourself once usually. You have to defend yourself two or three times if you have to shoot. Only the person in the situation can make the call. Too many variables for Monday morning quarterbacking to be accurate. You were the one on the scene, you made the right choice.
Just a story with a chuckle. A man came into the gun store one morning with a badly scraped nose. Somebody had kept tripping the burglar alarm at his warehouse and office so finally he lay on the couch in his office, pistol at hand. Sure enough, just shortly a man came and slapped the front door a couple times. The alarm didn't go off and he started on the lock.
The owner ran to the front door and the burglar took off. The owner fired a couple warning shots in the air and ordered the thief to stop. The would be thief turned around and fired a couple shots into the front of the metal building. Instant reflex, the owner went face down on the concrete, how his nose got so badly scraped, stayed face down while emptying his pistol and hoping like hell the guy ran. Not what he thought he would do or the heroics people imagine when faced with that situation, the owner just wanted to make it through the night!
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I'm just wondering what pistol was that. it was so bad that I don't bother to remember it unless I hear the name again. the only redeeming quality about it is it's aesthetic look. having said it, it might be a Taurus.
While I am hesitant to hijack this thread, still, have to input my 2 cents:
Autos fired inside a pocket are only strictly reliable for the first round. My ultralight hammerless S&W 38+P only holds 5, but I assume it won’t jam if one round doesn’t do the job (not guilty of ‘brandishing’, for sure).
Also, I recently watched a YouTube interview with an FBI ballistics expert/agent, explaining why they switched back to 9mm. The resulting cost savings were supposedly coincidental (and we know FBI agents are always truthful). He claimed that recoil recovery speed & modern round choices made up for the sacrifice in stopping force compared to the .40 cal. So, they can now shoot a felon with more rounds accurately in the same allotted time it would take to bring him down with the .40. When perps are shot 16-17 times with a 9, they are certainly more likely to die eventually, if that is the objective (?).
Autos fired inside a pocket are only strictly reliable for the first round. My ultralight hammerless S&W 38+P only holds 5, but I assume it won’t jam if one round doesn’t do the job (not guilty of ‘brandishing’, for sure).
Also, I recently watched a YouTube interview with an FBI ballistics expert/agent, explaining why they switched back to 9mm. The resulting cost savings were supposedly coincidental (and we know FBI agents are always truthful). He claimed that recoil recovery speed & modern round choices made up for the sacrifice in stopping force compared to the .40 cal. So, they can now shoot a felon with more rounds accurately in the same allotted time it would take to bring him down with the .40. When perps are shot 16-17 times with a 9, they are certainly more likely to die eventually, if that is the objective (?).
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Did you ever see one of these? I've been wearing one for probably the last 5 or 6 years. I'm in Florida and I almost always wear just elastic waistband shorts and a t-shirt. I can go anywhere and no one can imagine I have a full size pistol on me and a spare mag.
SmartCarry The Invisible Holster https://share.google/phheNqiiuWjV4aD68
I should add that you probably can find this style on eBay or even other places and maybe they're good who knows. But I can tell you this one I've had it off and on thousands of times over the years the velcro holds up the materials really tough and it's really quality made in America.
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pool halls are dangerous?. carrying over your privates is worse.
if a n.d. happens, do you want to skin your thigh or sing soprano.
its hot in florida, and carrying a cannon is pushing the envelope, unless its also needed as a club.
florida is anyone carry open or not. open is bad.
if a n.d. happens, do you want to skin your thigh or sing soprano.
its hot in florida, and carrying a cannon is pushing the envelope, unless its also needed as a club.
florida is anyone carry open or not. open is bad.
My brother designed a simple block of foam that changes the shape in your pocket to the shape of a wallet or nothing at all. Years later there was a commercial version out there that is probably still available. The foam is cut to lock in the pocket and stay in place. Works really well. I have three of the little 380's that disappear in your pocket. These days I wear old man baggy jeans so I just drop a pistol or two in a pocket loose. There is also something called a Yaqui or Yavapai slide I like well. Goes on your belt for carry on either side. Drop the pistol out when you aren't carrying and it looks like it holds a tape measure or similar. It doesn't scream holster or gun.
After a hurricane moved me away from the New Orleans area I don't feel nearly the need to carry. Before Katrina took out an indoor range I used to shoot steel plates sometimes. Those matches went on for over fifteen years and a youngster named Max Michelle Jr. cut his teeth there. He was a little pudgy when he was eleven or twelve and I wondered if his classmates bullied him sometimes. One of the fastest in the world with a pistol. When he was twelve or thirteen he could draw from the surrender position and shoot five steel plates in under two seconds! These were Friday night matches to leave the weekend free. I used to joke that we carried 1911's to compete and AR-15's to get back and forth through the rough quarter of the parish to get to the range!
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I have a simple/dedicated/no print design pocket holster for the snubby that works well in trad. Levi’s or chinos (stays in the pocket when you pull). Also have a companion Velcro holder in the car’s door-pocket. That crotch-mount version might justify soprano risk though for those at the beach wearing a swimsuit 
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I have a simple/dedicated/no print design pocket holster for the snubby that works well in trad. Levi’s or chinos (stays in the pocket when you pull). Also have a companion Velcro holder in the car’s door-pocket. That crotch-mount version might justify soprano risk though for those at the beach wearing a swimsuit
I haven't shot competition lately but it was amazing how many people favored a front mount holster with the pistol pointed at their nuts or knee. Some of these people took their safety off when they came to the line too. Dead illegal but they mostly got away with it. I had my pistol back on my side and had worked on muscle memory so that my cue to take the safety off was my weak hand starting to wrap around my grip. with the gun pointing low but straight dow range parallel to the ground. No time lost and the gun pointed safely downrange before the safety was touched.
I noticed a big sheriff's deputy around town, well over three hundred pounds. He wore his competition style 1911 in a tactical holster hanging off his right thigh. Huge paddles on his ambidextrous safety. If someone with any knowledge had to deal with him they could have knocked the safety off of his cocked and locked .45 and blew his right knee off all with the gun securely locked in his holster which had the thumb strap behind the hammer! All in all maybe the scariest duty carry rig I have ever seen, for the carrier! I can't imagine how he passed any kind of physical testing and his duty rig would have been done away with if I were boss including the big dual paddle safety lever. I wouldn't allow any compensated pistol for duty carry either. I don't favor compensators for any kind of carry except during competition.
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I always have carry a D/S or revolvers for safety reasons. The net is full of videos of negligent discharges. Some carry without one in the chamber. There is the "Israeli carry" that is interesting but would take a lot of training.I have a simple/dedicated/no print design pocket holster for the snubby that works well in trad. Levi’s or chinos (stays in the pocket when you pull). Also have a companion Velcro holder in the car’s door-pocket. That crotch-mount version might justify soprano risk though for those at the beach wearing a swimsuit
All I am giving up is a heavy pull on on the first round.
Just the other night I watched a video of a police shooting. The guy was pulled over and out of no where he pulls a gun and shoots one of the cops. Here's the thing.
The cop wearing the Camara that took the footage, never got off a shot. He pulled his gun. Had some kind of malfunction, tried to clear it dropping his mag. Tried to insert a new mag and did something wrong that the gun still would not fire.
Under stress even a trained person can go haywire. This guy looked like Fredo when the godfather was shot.
Point is, keep it simple. Sometimes you can't trust yourself. Ask Pat Fleming about jumping out of a plane and not pulling his ripcord. Fortunately he was tandem jumping and the instructor pulled the chute.
Hay, i just mentioned Pat Fleming I just made this post relevant to pool.
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The videos a little scary in that you really don't know what you might do in a situation where you are really under pressure. I don't think the average person knows what they would do. I don't, hell I may look like Fredo. From watching the news and seeing what happens with people with guns generally what they do wrong is shoot too soon. They shoot some neighbor who they said was coming after them with a rake.
I ran the video back and forth a bunch of times and you can see what he's doing cuz he's got the gun right in front of his camera. The gun is clearly a Glock and not prone to malfunctions I would assume.
This whole thing was the officer panic it looks like. The guy in a car by the way is ultimately killed by another officer on the scene. This guy bravely runs right up to the window and shoots the guy. I think the cop that was shot in the chest initially died.
didn't see the video but maybe he had hit the mag release at some point. but probably his thing was he never touched it until it was needed and was not really familiar other than just pulling the trigger. most are like that. its scary to see them at the range.
Years ago the range put on a big charity shoot. The local Sheriff being a thoughty fella, picked out four young deputies the night before. You, you, you, and you, are volunteering to shoot in a charity event tomorrow! The deputies showed up with their little 9mm Rugers and their duty rigs. Their training isn't quite the same as a gun gamers and they were tailed off. Then they were trying to shoot eight inch steel plates at twenty-five feet. They couldn't hit them rapid fire, they couldn't hit them slow fire.
I was talking to them being friendly after helping run the event and one asked me to try. "I couldn't do any better than y'all with those pistols" I said politically. Gavin was hanging around too, an eight year old. Finally I couldn't resist. I went and got my .45 race gun I usually let Gavin shoot a little. He could barely hold up the .45 and I kept a hand under it and ready to catch anything I needed to. Gavin wasn't fast but he went five for five! It was funny but it was brutal too, I put the .45 up.
I have never seen more than two LEO's that were gamers also that could hold their own shooting with gamers. Of course the real question is who could hold their own with bad guys, something I have no idea about.
Just remembered that one of our old members is a former LEO. He met an armed robber nose to nose. I heard tell it was an even break and both had twelve gauges in hand. Our member is still around, he was untouched. The bad guy retired on the spot and permanently.
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I'll be honest, I didn't even know what a .45 race gun is. I just looked it up and I have a feeling one of those cops could hit a few things with that gun. That's a pretty sophisticated looking gun.
That is why Gavin shot my race gun rather than a 9mm of the officers. The .45 had less recoil and better sights and the sight radius was longer. I have built a half dozen or so race guns from oversized components. I could call it something else but some assholes copyrighted "race gun" after it had long been in common usage.
When I first built a pair of race guns for my brother and myself I test fired the 38Super. Three shots into a very tight cloverleaf, a quarter inch or less at fifteen yards. My forearms were laying across a concrete bench and it was hard to say how much of the grouping was my limitations or the gun's. It shot those cloverleafs over and over though so it was the best the combination could do. I set three local records with the Super, one with the 45.
The one with the 45 I remain proud of. In fifteen years of trying national class shooters and one holding over twenty world records and championships had failed to shoot a perfect score. I shot one in my second season, shooting a pistol I built myself. The story is on here somewhere. It was a dark and stormy night, the targets blowing away, the stands blowing over. Halfway through the match I decided I was going for the six hundred and I was going to use the zone to do it. The zone is a favorite subject too. I had been finding it a lot lately and I decided to use the starting buzzer as the signal to drop into the zone. I hit the zone as I drew for the last few stages.
Many people, over a dozen, maybe two dozen or more, had shot 598's or 599's, once the pressure of six hundred was gone they could shoot clean the rest of the way. I had some 598's and 599's myself. I was pleased with the 600 for a lot of reasons. One, while people could tie the 600, nobody could take away that I was first. The conditions were horrible. Most importantly, the six hundred had been planned from halfway through. I wasn't focused on just winning, I had decided to shoot a six hundred.
Winning transfers by the way. Knowing how to compete is a skillset aside from skill at pool, racing, pistols, and rifles. That skillset transfers.
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