Man, pool halls are dangerous
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I hate carrying. Almost impossible to find a gun that is comfortable to carry and won't print that still works well. It is easy to start asking if you really need to carry that day. Thing is, if you knew when the gun would be needed, why the hell would you put yourself in that situation?
I carry the Commander a few times a year these days. The rest of the time I carry a tiny gun that won't print. Odds are when I need a gun I will have a .380 on me. Well tested and with ammo I trust. Far too many people buy a gun for self defense and never shoot it. I recommend at least one box of ammo every three months hoping they will shoot at least every six months. I saw the duty rig of a New Orleans cop; leather rig with the gun and rig covered with green mold. It was completely locked into one piece, that gun was as useless as teats on a boar hog!
Concealed carry testing isn't demanding. You don't drop any points if you can keep all shots in a B-27 seven ring at close range. The range officer shot competition with those of us qualifying that day. After a couple stages of standing around waiting for time limits to expire he said this is silly, just shoot. I qualified with the Commander and a SP-101 in 357. Everything in the X ring. Perfect score on the written test too. Then I had the range owner sign and date both targets and saved them. Shoot, don't shoot, scenarios are the main thing to know and obey. I think it would be damned hard to have somebody shoot at you and then hold your fire the instant they turn their back but that is the law. A restriction that cops don't have to meet!
I have heard it argued in legal cases that a LEO can't be expected to hold fire in less than two seconds. Why should civilians be held to a higher standard than supposedly trained LEO's?
Hu
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In that story I told in my other post that happened last month it would have been easy to panic and pull my gun and shoot finding the guy in my house. Getting out of the house myself and safe was a better choice.
Can you imagine what I would be dealing with now if I had shot the guy. Even if I wasn't charged with anything. You always have the civil end as well.
You are right of course. You don't defend yourself once usually. You have to defend yourself two or three times if you have to shoot. Only the person in the situation can make the call. Too many variables for Monday morning quarterbacking to be accurate. You were the one on the scene, you made the right choice.
Just a story with a chuckle. A man came into the gun store one morning with a badly scraped nose. Somebody had kept tripping the burglar alarm at his warehouse and office so finally he lay on the couch in his office, pistol at hand. Sure enough, just shortly a man came and slapped the front door a couple times. The alarm didn't go off and he started on the lock.
The owner ran to the front door and the burglar took off. The owner fired a couple warning shots in the air and ordered the thief to stop. The would be thief turned around and fired a couple shots into the front of the metal building. Instant reflex, the owner went face down on the concrete, how his nose got so badly scraped, stayed face down while emptying his pistol and hoping like hell the guy ran. Not what he thought he would do or the heroics people imagine when faced with that situation, the owner just wanted to make it through the night!
Hu
I'm just wondering what pistol was that. it was so bad that I don't bother to remember it unless I hear the name again. the only redeeming quality about it is it's aesthetic look. having said it, it might be a Taurus.
While I am hesitant to hijack this thread, still, have to input my 2 cents:
Autos fired inside a pocket are only strictly reliable for the first round. My ultralight hammerless S&W 38+P only holds 5, but I assume it won’t jam if one round doesn’t do the job (not guilty of ‘brandishing’, for sure).
Also, I recently watched a YouTube interview with an FBI ballistics expert/agent, explaining why they switched back to 9mm. The resulting cost savings were supposedly coincidental (and we know FBI agents are always truthful). He claimed that recoil recovery speed & modern round choices made up for the sacrifice in stopping force compared to the .40 cal. So, they can now shoot a felon with more rounds accurately in the same allotted time it would take to bring him down with the .40. When perps are shot 16-17 times with a 9, they are certainly more likely to die eventually, if that is the objective (?).
Autos fired inside a pocket are only strictly reliable for the first round. My ultralight hammerless S&W 38+P only holds 5, but I assume it won’t jam if one round doesn’t do the job (not guilty of ‘brandishing’, for sure).
Also, I recently watched a YouTube interview with an FBI ballistics expert/agent, explaining why they switched back to 9mm. The resulting cost savings were supposedly coincidental (and we know FBI agents are always truthful). He claimed that recoil recovery speed & modern round choices made up for the sacrifice in stopping force compared to the .40 cal. So, they can now shoot a felon with more rounds accurately in the same allotted time it would take to bring him down with the .40. When perps are shot 16-17 times with a 9, they are certainly more likely to die eventually, if that is the objective (?).
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Did you ever see one of these? I've been wearing one for probably the last 5 or 6 years. I'm in Florida and I almost always wear just elastic waistband shorts and a t-shirt. I can go anywhere and no one can imagine I have a full size pistol on me and a spare mag.
SmartCarry The Invisible Holster https://share.google/phheNqiiuWjV4aD68
I should add that you probably can find this style on eBay or even other places and maybe they're good who knows. But I can tell you this one I've had it off and on thousands of times over the years the velcro holds up the materials really tough and it's really quality made in America.
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pool halls are dangerous?. carrying over your privates is worse.
if a n.d. happens, do you want to skin your thigh or sing soprano.
its hot in florida, and carrying a cannon is pushing the envelope, unless its also needed as a club.
florida is anyone carry open or not. open is bad.
if a n.d. happens, do you want to skin your thigh or sing soprano.
its hot in florida, and carrying a cannon is pushing the envelope, unless its also needed as a club.
florida is anyone carry open or not. open is bad.
My brother designed a simple block of foam that changes the shape in your pocket to the shape of a wallet or nothing at all. Years later there was a commercial version out there that is probably still available. The foam is cut to lock in the pocket and stay in place. Works really well. I have three of the little 380's that disappear in your pocket. These days I wear old man baggy jeans so I just drop a pistol or two in a pocket loose. There is also something called a Yaqui or Yavapai slide I like well. Goes on your belt for carry on either side. Drop the pistol out when you aren't carrying and it looks like it holds a tape measure or similar. It doesn't scream holster or gun.
After a hurricane moved me away from the New Orleans area I don't feel nearly the need to carry. Before Katrina took out an indoor range I used to shoot steel plates sometimes. Those matches went on for over fifteen years and a youngster named Max Michelle Jr. cut his teeth there. He was a little pudgy when he was eleven or twelve and I wondered if his classmates bullied him sometimes. One of the fastest in the world with a pistol. When he was twelve or thirteen he could draw from the surrender position and shoot five steel plates in under two seconds! These were Friday night matches to leave the weekend free. I used to joke that we carried 1911's to compete and AR-15's to get back and forth through the rough quarter of the parish to get to the range!
Hu
I have a simple/dedicated/no print design pocket holster for the snubby that works well in trad. Levi’s or chinos (stays in the pocket when you pull). Also have a companion Velcro holder in the car’s door-pocket. That crotch-mount version might justify soprano risk though for those at the beach wearing a swimsuit 
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