WNT, WPA and 2026

One great thing about the expansion of the Predator and WNT tours is the number of events in the U.S.

Four of Predator's eight big multi-events this year are taking place in the U.S. - Las Vegas, St Louis, San Antonio and Jacksonville. Asked about this, the Predator tour director said: "We are a U.S. based company."

The WNT, for its part, has the Florida Open, Arizona Open, Phoenix Open and U.S. Open, plus an expanded number of smaller events put on by partners.
 
One great thing about the expansion of the Predator and WNT tours is the number of events in the U.S.

Four of Predator's eight big multi-events this year are taking place in the U.S. - Las Vegas, St Louis, San Antonio and Jacksonville. Asked about this, the Predator tour director said: "We are a U.S. based company."

The WNT, for its part, has the Florida Open, Arizona Open, Phoenix Open and U.S. Open, plus an expanded number of smaller events put on by partners.
Yeah but they need better advertising of the points events in the US. I went to their site and saw some of them and I was like, what? Why haven't I heard about any of these.
 
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The shape of the pocket can have a large impact on how easy it plays. A huge factor is how far from parallel the facings are.
I don't think your pro is the norm. Even the Fillers have 4.125" pockets on their home table.
He actually posted a pic to his socials today showing how tight his pockets are. Facings look pretty parallel.
 
They appear to be 10 to 12 degrees off parallel. The spec is 14.

The facing on the left looks like it was not done properly.
If they are closer to parallel than spec, does that mean they are even more difficult?

Why do you think the left facing has been done poorly (not saying your wrong, just curious to learn)
 
The same thing still applies, Matchroom doesn't have some big deal with Netflix to stream pool matches
Agreed and Pool is never going to be big time in the USA. Enjoy it for the fringe sport it is. Now we have more events to watch cheap with better production quality.

There's honestly more events than most of us can watch. I'm liking the sped up versions of matches online.....that is genius.
 
If they are closer to parallel than spec, does that mean they are even more difficult?

Why do you think the left facing has been done poorly (not saying your wrong, just curious to learn)
Parallel makes the pocket easier.

The left facing looks to me like it has been thickened (and the pocket narrowed) by the addition of multiple layers of facing rubber without replacing the entire rail rubber. That is the cheap and wrong way to make a pocket smaller. The proper way is to add wood to the rail and cut new rail rubber to the correct length.

But a real table mechanic can give a more informed opinion of how the pocket was likely narrowed.
 
The success of the St. Louis event has naturally raised questions about whether the Predator Billiard Series is overtaking the WNT. Fair question.

As I posted in the St Louis thread, Predator did an excellent job. I wrote:

"The competition between Predator and MR is really heating up ... Predator has found a winning formula in pairing several big events together AND in pairing the men and women together. The men and women really seem to enjoy playing with each other. No surprise, since there are so many pool couples these days. Fans seem to like it, too."

On the most recent DogginIt podcast, MM dogged Matchroom again and said Predator was surpassing WNT. He touted the sets format, said it attracts more fans, and said MR needs to shake things up - if only its big ego wouldn't get in the way.

Mike Pannozo was, again, the voice of reason. He he likes different formats and said Predator and the WNT are apples in oranges. He also pointed out that the WNT doesn't really start holding most of its big events until the second half of the year.

There's no doubt Predator has stepped up. It's a great thing, too. I just don't think Predator alone can build a successful year-round pool tour to satisfy the financial need of most top players.

The combined effort of Predator and Matchroom also isn't probably enough, but the two together get the pro pool world closer to the mark.

Do shorts sets really attract more nonhardcore fans? There's no evidence of that, but it's possible, Molina Mike pointed to attendance at the Las Vegas and St. Louis Predator events. But Las Vegas is Vegas, and thousands of amateurs were also there for the BCA tournaments. St Louis, for its, part is considered one of the best pool cities in the U.S.

Next year there will apparently be some big amateur event to coincide with the return of Predator to St. Louis. It's a smart strategy. Predator is trying to turn avid amateur pool players into actual pro pool fans. It's probably the best potential way to try to bring more fans into the sport. For a long time amateur players have been clueless about the pro game.

Frazer has repeatedly said her strategy is to try to lure in more casual fans. Such an approach, aimed to mirror darts, requires stars. Hence her effort - imo misguided - to try to tout youngsters such as AJ Manas. MR is putting more effort into trying to popularize stars.

The downside of such an approach is the potential alienation of hardcore fans or pro players. MR could be seen playing favorites which, of course, they do.

I don't consider myself a partisan of either side. WNT and PBS are trying to do different things, but grow the game. I think there is room for both, and hope they somehow find a way to give each other some breathing space. Neither is strong enough by itself to do for pro pool all that it needs.

The one surprising thing in common is how much both entities are putting into the U.S. Frazer said in a recent interview a chief goal now is to rebuild the game in the US and create new stars. That's why all the new events are being created.

The PBS director also said there is a big focus on the US because Predator is a US company. It wants more people in the US playing and watching.

What Florida, Las Vegas and St Louis show is, there is still a big audience and money to be found in the U.S. when it comes to pro pool. More fans and money than in Europe, and more money than in Asia (China excluded).

Frankly, WNT should consider a big major in St. Louis, too.

Competition is great, but modern pro pool (21st century) is still in its infancy. It needs some cooperation too, especially from Matchroom.

PS: Frazer said Matchroom has already generated half a million gate in Florida, with 70% of tickets sold. I assume she was referring to the Mosconi.
 
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Regarding the matchroom strategy of trying to build the sport round young stars, I don't know why they don't do it around Moritz Neuhausen rather than AJ Manas. He earned his Mosconi Cup spot on merit, is young and a very likeable person. Maybe they want to build up different stars for different regions (which would make sense), but then they should be bigging up Mouritz, Lucas Verner and AJ Manas/Jaybee Sucal
 
On the most recent DogginIt podcast, MM dogged Matchroom again and said Predator was surpassing WNT. He touted the sets format, said it attracts more fans, and said MR needs to shake things up - if only its big ego wouldn't get in the way.

Mike Pannozo was, again, the voice of reason.

molina tried to get sponsorship by predator when he started the podcast, iirc. got snubbed, and hated on pred for years, including the format, the shoot outs etc. now that he's gotten bad access to MR he's hating on them and praising predator, including the format. it shows low integrity and poor journalism. not to mention it has gotten quite old now, and makes me listen to the podcast less often because it's repetitive.

panozzo on the other hand IS a proper journalist and doesn't act like a child.

agree on this event being great. felt almost like a bit of a jamboree, with multi disciplines and both men and women, mixed pairs. predator has been the biggest pool sponsor for decades and they keep doing great things for the sport. thumbs up from me.
 
Jamboree is a good word. I was going to post it was like a carnival with a lot going on. It’s cool to see the variety of events.

The majors can be their own thing but regular tournaments benefit from supporting cards.
 
molina tried to get sponsorship by predator when he started the podcast, iirc. got snubbed, and hated on pred for years, including the format, the shoot outs etc. now that he's gotten bad access to MR he's hating on them and praising predator, including the format. it shows low integrity and poor journalism. not to mention it has gotten quite old now, and makes me listen to the podcast less often because it's repetitive.

panozzo on the other hand IS a proper journalist and doesn't act like a child.

agree on this event being great. felt almost like a bit of a jamboree, with multi disciplines and both men and women, mixed pairs. predator has been the biggest pool sponsor for decades and they keep doing great things for the sport. thumbs up from me.
He is bad just like his boy Collin.
 
WNT (and pool in general) really need the World Championship in Saudi to go ahead.

JD Vance will be visiting Pakistan soon to meet Iran, so fingers crossed something gets sorted.
 
If they are closer to parallel than spec, does that mean they are even more difficult?

Why do you think the left facing has been done poorly (not saying your wrong, just curious to learn)
That would mean that they're easier, the closer to parallel the more likely the ball will rebound off of them into the hole instead of the opposite facing. but those pockets are shimmed, so they are more difficult. When you tighten pockets, you want to extend the rail bed, having thicker or stacked facings will deaden the rebound and make it more difficult to make balls and create a higher likelihood of rattle.
 
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