My Observations From the Super Billiards Expo

BobPA

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Having attended the SBE for a while now I thought I would share a few of my thoughts on the event. Also, a few thoughts on where the direction that pool equipment is headed. The SBE crowd has been impressive the last few years to say the least, if you plan to attend on a Saturday, be prepared to park out in the nose bleeds...Or on the mulch.

-There have been quite a few generic sticker cue brands in attendance the last few years. Basically a company creates a "brand" and sells generic catalog import cues of varying quality. Some with carbon shafts, some with wood. Basically on the level of an Action or Players style cue. No innovation, no style. Just generic decal cues in a flashy booth. I really hope pool does not go down this path of pure import garbage. Some of the cues for $350 with a "carbon" shaft were absolutely horrible. I know there is a huge market for the cheap players cues (I own a few), but these "brands" market them as something more. They pop up and then disappear all the time.

- I really miss the booths that featured used cues and the guys were up for a good haggling. Those booths are what made the Expo fun IMO. Go down there with a case full of cues and see what kind of trade deals you could work up. Most of the trading aspect is gone. Most of the vendors offer "show specials", but none of them want to get into any fun back and forth negotiations. The price is the price nowadays. I understand margins are slim, but with the price of production cues doubling in the last few years...There is definitely room to wiggle. A few manufactures had "show specials" that were hundreds of dollars more expensive than their price on Seyberts....I think the amount of people who make offers on the internet and then disappear have killed negotiations.

- I hit a large variety of cues. Getting on a table was sometimes difficult because of the crowds. Most everything felt decent in my hands. A few certainly were not my cup of tea. Carbon fiber and me (still) do not get along, although a Becue made me feel like I could actually give it a go at some point. Having a 100% carbon butt and shaft certainly has its advantages.

- A Longoni with their S2 shaft was by far the standout favorite of the production cues I tested...It just felt right in every aspect. Their build quality was excellent and it felt perfect in my hands. For a brand I have never considered, I will be putting one into my arsenal soon....Their Expo pricing was a bit.....steep. The only downside is the proprietary pin. Cuelees make gorgeous cues, but they are NOT cheap. They also screwed together like crap. They would not even budge a dollar on price lol. As a Schon fan it was nice to see a large display of them this year. The all carbon Mcdermott was ok, but nothing Earth shattering.

- As a mild Predator fanboy, they have been seriously lacking as of late. Their build quality has been a bit questionable as well. I purchased a sneaky from them with a Centro shaft. They were offering an incredible deal on their website, an offer I couldn't refuse. The fit and finish on the butt was complete trash. Selling cues with stickers and paint for $2,000+ is absolutely disgusting as is selling $1,200 Skittle colored breakers...and they sell every single one they produce. Their selection at the show was abysmal, but the booth was always full. They sold more t-shirts than cues.

- Musashi/Adam/Hayakawa make some incredible looking cues. They are priced inline with the craftsmanship.

- The variety of chalk available is absolutely mind blowing...It is freaking chalk.

- I felt kind of bad for the people playing in the amateur side of the tournament. The crowds were spilling over into the tables with active matches going on, and there was no way around it. I am hoping they get a logistics guy in there to make the floor plan flow a bit more. A lot of room is wasted and it really makes for some annoying congestion for both players and people just browsing.

- Long lines for the bathrooms all day. The port-a-shitters were fine early in the day. They became a warzone after dark.

- The action room could have used more tables. There were a few points in the night where there were more arguments happening than shots on a table. Some big money, supposedly, changed hands. I take everything that happens in there with a grain of salt. A few more tables would help with the riff raff.

- I went down there with a pocket full of cash ready to buy something that stood out. Instead I came home with a new tip on my breaker and a full case of unsold/untraded cues. Now to search for a Longoni....
 
- A Longoni with their S2 shaft was by far the standout favorite of the production cues I tested...It just felt right in every aspect. Their build quality was excellent and it felt perfect in my hands. For a brand I have never considered, I will be putting one into my arsenal soon....Their Expo pricing was a bit.....steep. The only downside is the proprietary pin.
I own two Longonis, both with a Luna Nera carbon shaft (they call it graphite). One for a pool hall locker and one for home.

Before settling on Longoni, I tried a bunch of production shafts - Predator, Cuetec, Becue, Viking, Pechauer, Lucasi, Whyte Carbon and a few others.

I liked Longoni and Predator best, but not by a lot, over Whyte Carbon and Cuetec. I didn't feel a huge difference, though. I did think the Longoni felt better in my hands and was better made. Longoni prices weren't terrible before the tariffs, but they did rise notably after that.

Longoni has a quick-install, quick release joint. I do have to tighten once in a great while, but it's very fast to assemble.

The Longoni extension system is the best on the market in my view. By far. Different sizes, stackable, and they go on with a half twist. I do recommend a fingerprint worth of WD40 to lube the connection the very first time. It's a bit stiff to start.
- The variety of chalk available is absolutely mind blowing...It is freaking chalk.
Hope it drives down prices!

Chalk is chalk, sure. I always though cheap chalks were gritty and dirty, but they worked fine. Kamui Roku was my first experience with "clean" chalk, but Taom took it to a new level.

And while Taom is expensive at $20, it's 50% cheaper than the Roku ($30)! I don't understand how Kamui can price it that high.

I admittedly do appreciate chalks that feel nice when they are applied. Kamui Roku felt nicer to apply than Taom, and the new DrV might feel even nicer.

Worth the cost? No, but I am at the age, and I have the means, when I can buy the chalk I like best. I only go thru a few cubes a year.
 
If you saw my post the cut the action room down for some reason no one knows why.

Btw go sunday.. saturday is the busiest day and sunday is the slowest . No one there and you get to watch all the finals of all the tournaments.

I’m a predator fan boy as well.. I think all the complaining about predator making different color cues is silly. It’s smart. They mark cars different colors for a reason. People like different shit. What I hate is predator makes a limited edition color and all the dealers buy them before anyone can and double the price because people are dumb enough to pay an extra $1k to have a purple bk rush instead of black.

I to like the longoni cues but it’s a lot for a production cue in my opinion.
Having attended the SBE for a while now I thought I would share a few of my thoughts on the event. Also, a few thoughts on where the direction that pool equipment is headed. The SBE crowd has been impressive the last few years to say the least, if you plan to attend on a Saturday, be prepared to park out in the nose bleeds...Or on the mulch.

-There have been quite a few generic sticker cue brands in attendance the last few years. Basically a company creates a "brand" and sells generic catalog import cues of varying quality. Some with carbon shafts, some with wood. Basically on the level of an Action or Players style cue. No innovation, no style. Just generic decal cues in a flashy booth. I really hope pool does not go down this path of pure import garbage. Some of the cues for $350 with a "carbon" shaft were absolutely horrible. I know there is a huge market for the cheap players cues (I own a few), but these "brands" market them as something more. They pop up and then disappear all the time.

- I really miss the booths that featured used cues and the guys were up for a good haggling. Those booths are what made the Expo fun IMO. Go down there with a case full of cues and see what kind of trade deals you could work up. Most of the trading aspect is gone. Most of the vendors offer "show specials", but none of them want to get into any fun back and forth negotiations. The price is the price nowadays. I understand margins are slim, but with the price of production cues doubling in the last few years...There is definitely room to wiggle. A few manufactures had "show specials" that were hundreds of dollars more expensive than their price on Seyberts....I think the amount of people who make offers on the internet and then disappear have killed negotiations.

- I hit a large variety of cues. Getting on a table was sometimes difficult because of the crowds. Most everything felt decent in my hands. A few certainly were not my cup of tea. Carbon fiber and me (still) do not get along, although a Becue made me feel like I could actually give it a go at some point. Having a 100% carbon butt and shaft certainly has its advantages.

- A Longoni with their S2 shaft was by far the standout favorite of the production cues I tested...It just felt right in every aspect. Their build quality was excellent and it felt perfect in my hands. For a brand I have never considered, I will be putting one into my arsenal soon....Their Expo pricing was a bit.....steep. The only downside is the proprietary pin. Cuelees make gorgeous cues, but they are NOT cheap. They also screwed together like crap. They would not even budge a dollar on price lol. As a Schon fan it was nice to see a large display of them this year. The all carbon Mcdermott was ok, but nothing Earth shattering.

- As a mild Predator fanboy, they have been seriously lacking as of late. Their build quality has been a bit questionable as well. I purchased a sneaky from them with a Centro shaft. They were offering an incredible deal on their website, an offer I couldn't refuse. The fit and finish on the butt was complete trash. Selling cues with stickers and paint for $2,000+ is absolutely disgusting as is selling $1,200 Skittle colored breakers...and they sell every single one they produce. Their selection at the show was abysmal, but the booth was always full. They sold more t-shirts than cues.

- Musashi/Adam/Hayakawa make some incredible looking cues. They are priced inline with the craftsmanship.

- The variety of chalk available is absolutely mind blowing...It is freaking chalk.

- I felt kind of bad for the people playing in the amateur side of the tournament. The crowds were spilling over into the tables with active matches going on, and there was no way around it. I am hoping they get a logistics guy in there to make the floor plan flow a bit more. A lot of room is wasted and it really makes for some annoying congestion for both players and people just browsing.

- Long lines for the bathrooms all day. The port-a-shitters were fine early in the day. They became a warzone after dark.

- The action room could have used more tables. There were a few points in the night where there were more arguments happening than shots on a table. Some big money, supposedly, changed hands. I take everything that happens in there with a grain of salt. A few more tables would help with the riff raff.

- I went down there with a pocket full of cash ready to buy something that stood out. Instead I came home with a new tip on my breaker and a full case of unsold/untraded cues. Now to search for a Longoni....
 
I own two Longonis, both with a Luna Nera carbon shaft (they call it graphite). One for a pool hall locker and one for home.

Before settling on Longoni, I tried a bunch of production shafts - Predator, Cuetec, Becue, Viking, Pechauer, Lucasi, Whyte Carbon and a few others.

I liked Longoni and Predator best, but not by a lot, over Whyte Carbon and Cuetec. I didn't feel a huge difference, though. I did think the Longoni felt better in my hands and was better made. Longoni prices weren't terrible before the tariffs, but they did rise notably after that.

Longoni has a quick-install, quick release joint. I do have to tighten once in a great while, but it's very fast to assemble.

The Longoni extension system is the best on the market in my view. By far. Different sizes, stackable, and they go on with a half twist. I do recommend a fingerprint worth of WD40 to lube the connection the very first time. It's a bit stiff to start.

Hope it drives down prices!

Chalk is chalk, sure. I always though cheap chalks were gritty and dirty, but they worked fine. Kamui Roku was my first experience with "clean" chalk, but Taom took it to a new level.

And while Taom is expensive at $20, it's 50% cheaper than the Roku ($30)! I don't understand how Kamui can price it that high.

I admittedly do appreciate chalks that feel nice when they are applied. Kamui Roku felt nicer to apply than Taom, and the new DrV might feel even nicer.

Worth the cost? No, but I am at the age, and I have the means, when I can buy the chalk I like best. I only go thru a few cubes a year.
Im ok with the Roku price.. it’s better. I don’t miscue often but I do with taom lol but to each his own. a piece of Roku lasts me over a year and a half and I play just about every day. So in the grand scheme of things what’s an extra $10 🤷‍♂️
 
I have been a loyal Predator user since I switched to low-deflection back in 2013. I started with a Z2 but it was too small - I have arthritis and greatly prefer a larger diameter so I switched to the 314-2. Eventually I had the 314-3 and Vantage before switching to CF with the REVO 12.9. A couple years ago I switched from Uniloc to Radial because the feel was noticeably better, but still REVO 12.9.

A friend of mine received a new Pechauer cue as a gift last year and I was immediately taken with how well it hit - quite possibly the best feeling cue I have ever used - but at 12.4 or so it is just too small. Another friend won one in a raffle and again I was super impressed with the feel and the hit. In both cases, they have the Pechauer joint and I was convinced I wanted to stick with Radial, so I just kept playing with my Predator. But it kept nagging at me that I was missing something, and I was increasingly unhappy with my gear.

At the Expo I visited the Pechauer booth. They had some 12.8 shafts which is their largest and close enough. And they had some with Radial joints, so I was able to try that out on my Predator butt. To my surprise, I hated it. It felt hard and dead, nothing at all like what I had felt on those other cues. So I tried a 12.8 with their butt and their joint, and the feel was amazing! I can't explain it and it makes little sense to me, but the difference was simply night and day.

It is difficult for me to make major changes, and I had no intention of buying a new cue, but it took me about 2 minutes to pony up and commit to the switch. I now have a new cue, joint, and shaft - I can't wait to get to the pool hall tomorrow and put them to work!
 
if you are mis cueing at all then your stroke isnt straight and of course a person is sure it is.

and or using english too far out, both up and down.

in both cases its costing you even on the times you are not mis cueing.

its not the chalk or your tip unless both are defective.
 
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