Than the foul?Lol. I trust Yapp's vision at the table far more.
Than the foul?Lol. I trust Yapp's vision at the table far more.
I can only mention things I've seen, but this is an even more extreme example of a referee not having the knowledge needed to do the job. Again, occasional errors in observation or judgment are pardonable, but errors that are caused by referees lacking the knowledge to make the calls are not.
Why are referees that lack the core knowledge to do the job being certified by WPA? Why does it seem that referees getting the most noteworthy assignments in pool are the ones making the most errors? Why doesn't WPA care about the precipitous decline in performance of referees in pool?
I think referees have improved at crowd control and in keeping the proceedings smooth. I also think they conduct themselves admirably on a regular basis. In these respects, we have a really good crop of referees in our game. If we can only fill in the gaping holes in their knowledge, they will be the best referees in the history of pro pool. Unfortunately, there is no tangible evidence that filling in these holes has priority with either governing bodies or event producers so, until this changes, it's hard to expect better.
There you go again. Spinning the ball had everything to do with the foul. Good enough to make the 8, not good enough to clear the 4. (annoying huh)why dont you go back and read post #126 and my response
his post and my reply has nothing to do with cpg and contact lines
did you consider that yapp as a pro realized if he cleared the 4 the 8 would be hit fat and he had to turn the 8 with spinThere you go again. Spinning the ball had everything to do with the foul. Good enough to make the 8, not good enough to clear the 4. (annoying huh)
I watched the Yapp shot again and he does go parallel past the right facing. Dr Dave (I should check Pubo's placement too) managed to spin the 8 all the way to the left side of the pocket. More eng, maybe.
ANYWAY, With CPG you can play the line to give you the best chance at clearing the 4 - in this case, off the right tit.
and lol...
That much is understood. He hit the 4 anyway, He had a better chance playing the 8 as far left as he could. Bouncing the ball off the tit would have allowed sufficient if not ample clearance of the 4.did you consider that yapp as a pro realized if he cleared the 4 the 8 would be hit fat and he had to turn the 8 with spin
also this has nothing to do with question in the post that i responded to
so he misses and now his opponent runs out and winsThat much is understood. He hit the 4 anyway, He had a better chance playing the 8 as far left as he could. Bouncing the ball off the tit would have allowed sufficient if not ample clearance of the 4.
Have you any idea how simple it is to rattle balls in? It's like uh, go practice that stuff. Major drill that I would do is trying to jaw balls. I copped this from Al Romero who was able to rattle a ball in 5" jaws at speed. Ball just rattled and stopped right there in the jaws. In trying to duplicate this - it's a one hole trap amongst other things - I discovered how much those balls want to fall. If the shot is in spec, there's nothing you can do to stop 'em.so he misses and now his opponent runs out and wins
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Its difficult for billiard business to get the manpower / help needed to referee a match along with training. Most likely these people have never played pool to a degree and are just looking for an obvious foul. I don't know what they are paid and hours worked during a tournament.I wasn't watching the match, so this is my first look at the final shot.
While I figured this was a foul based on cue ball direction, I don't think it was as obvious as the Capito foul vs Lechner in 2025. It's bizarre that referees don't understand the principles governing good and bad hits when two object balls are near each other. So often, cue ball direction and/or speed will make the call obvious, but referees need better training. In the end, the referee clearly lacked the needed understanding to call a foul, and given this, could not logically call a foul here. I view this as a "lack of knowledge" situation, not a "grossly mistaken call" situation. Based on the referee's knowledge, the right call was made. Still, referees who don't have the knowledge to judge these situations should not get the nod in the final of a world championship.
I went to watch a World 14.1 Championship in New York. A friend told me the first day, "They're a little shorthanded." I put my hand up. No training, one bizarre rule added, and I reffed 24 two-hour matches in seven days. $5/match, calling each ball and the run total on each shot.Its difficult for billiard business to get the manpower / help needed to referee a match along with training. Most likely these people have never played pool to a degree and are just looking for an obvious foul. I don't know what they are paid and hours worked during a tournament.
I went to watch a World 14.1 Championship in New York. A friend told me the first day, "They're a little shorthanded." I put my hand up. No training, one bizarre rule added, and I reffed 24 two-hour matches in seven days. $5/match, calling each ball and the run total on each shot.
That sounds brutal.I went to watch a World 14.1 Championship in New York. A friend told me the first day, "They're a little shorthanded." I put my hand up. No training, one bizarre rule added, and I reffed 24 two-hour matches in seven days. $5/match, calling each ball and the run total on each shot.
thats right, the opponent didnt care. so he got what happened and from the looks of it accepted his fate with no complaints.
so whats the problem.
I wasn't the beast. Cueball Kelly was the beast. He reffed 27 matches and he was 85 at the time. Ball and count on every shot. He was mad because they picked someone else to ref the finals (Sigel/Varner). Maybe he needed the five bucks.You are a beast.
Lou Figueroa
She, and it looked like a brain fart. You know there are sharks everywhere.If you’re talking about the Yapp situation, there was a referee directly watching the shot? And Yapp was in the road - he couldn’t see the hit.
What else was he supposed to do? Maybe he could have moved to see the shot, but even that is questionable as a potential shark move (getting out of your chair when a referee is there to make the call). And as I’ve posted above, he would have protested had he seen the shot.