Getting casino betting back and new sponsorships

How many boxing movies have been made about dumping, or where dumping was shown in it. Probably all of them.

Boxing is still as popular as ever because people like watching fights.

People don’t like watching pool. It’s boring.

That’s it. That’s the root of the entire “no money in pool”.
 
iusedtoberich said:
People line up to buy boxing on PPV. Only us diehards do for pool. That's the difference. Not how likely one is to dump.
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Right. As long as the handle is big enough, the book makes money. And right now I can go to DraftKings and bet on darts*; which must be even easier to fix a match in w/out raising suspicion. I guess a lot of people watch (and bet) on darts.
These are the dart leagues DraftKings has lines on at the moment - European Tour, Modus Super Series, PDC World Champ, Premier League. I believe at least one of those is Matchroom.

* and hot dog eating too
 
iusedtoberich said:
Huh? So two boxers fixing a fight (or even a single boxer) don't control the dumping? How many millions are bet on boxers?

People line up to buy boxing on PPV. Only us diehards do for pool. That's the difference. Not how likely one is to dump.
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No the boxers do NOT control the dumping. They have controllers that tell them to dump. Those people are also the people controlling the book.
 
Jaden said:
No the boxers do NOT control the dumping. They have controllers that tell them to dump. Those people are also the people controlling the book.
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Ah, I gotcha now.

I suppose it could be either way though. If the book is the Mob, it's probably the way you are saying. If the book is a big corporation, its probably the players/boxers themselves, having their friends make the bets.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Ah, I gotcha now.

I suppose it could be either way though. If the book is the Mob, it's probably the way you are saying. If the book is a big corporation, its probably the players/boxers themselves, having their friends make the bets.
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If you're talking la cosa nostra, I don't know. If you're talking the mob as in organized crime, absolutely. As far as big corporation, then that's a distinction without a difference.
 
sjm said:
Your memory is failing you. Yes, they knew and cared. Despite the fact that the loss taken was relatively small, the word spread in Las Vegas that pool action was not on the level, and it ensured that no Vegas sportsbook would make book on pro pool.

The historical context was that the Mirage Hotel was new and was trying to make book on as many sports as possible. They were trying to compete with next door neighbor Caesar's Palace. In many cases, they wanted to be the site of the betting event. The biggest shot they took was in boxing, and they hosted a few heavyweight title fights. Some of the lesser sports, and pool was one of them, were given a shot to join the betting mainstream.

The Mirage hosted the Challenge of Champions and made book on it for as long as the event took place there, but once the contract was up (1994 I think), to nobody's surprise, it was not renewed and the event moved to Connecticut.

It's quite possible, as you suggest, that nobody remembers what happened in 1991. It was an opportunity missed, and perhaps it is possible to start from scratch today. Perhaps the scars have healed by now .... or not.
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Bob Jewett said:
It may be that the story was retold in places we can't imagine. I have been told that the PBTA/Camel relationship -- ended in an $800,000 damages award to the PBTA -- was used in business schools as an example of how not to have a sponsor relationship.
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There was NEVER any proof of a dump. Never…just speculation and stupid speculation at that from people that should know better.

The casino held and booked the matches for a couple of years after 1991.

Weird huh?
 
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