Discussion: Focusing on the cue ball compared to other sports

misguided players
Oh thanks for the chuckle zzz.!!!
Still giggles.
Stephen Hendry comes to mind.
Of course then Willie Hoppe.
🤷‍♂️
Amazing where a misguided person can end up.
Ho ho ho there are more.
Uh Can't forget Jason Shaw. Mosconi said, object ball last. Shaw just broke the straight pool high run (Mosconi's) record. Shaw says whitey last. 🤷‍♂️ Misguided? 🤔
 
Well when a baseball hitter could hit from either side of the plate, Yogi Berra called them Amphibious. So Ronnie O'Sullivan shooting with either hand is Amphibious. His answer of, "it could be either " , when asked which ball last fits in his Amphibious persona. 🤷‍♂️ 😉
 
As for the OP, it would be interesting to see before and after videos of him shooting including his eye pattern. I wonder if it was the "quiet eye" principle that gave him his perceived improvement.

So after really experimenting with this for about a month now I’ve come to a conclusion about a few things. After some 8+ hour practice sessions over this weekend one thing I notice is that my eyes are not quiet at all. This was happening subconsciously and took a while for me to realize. So I started playing racks with CBL and OBL and realized when I focus on the OBL my eyes were shifting depending on what I was looking at last.

For example, when executing CBL, my eyes would shift to the OB right before contact. When executing OBL, my eyes would shift to the CB right before contact.

My initial perceived accuracy about CBL could be completely incorrect although I was able to runout racks of 9ball practicing both methods.

I’m going to really focus on quieting my eyes with each method his week, CBL and OBL, and I’m going to post videos this week of me playing some racks for all of us to analyze.
 
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Good thread. FYI, this topic is covered in detail on the eye pattern "best practices" resource page. Those interested in this topic should check out that entire page. Here's a video from the page that covers most of the important points:


Here's an excerpt from the page listing slight advantages of OB-last focus:

  1. The distant focus helps you maintain the desired aim since you can clearly see what is called the aiming “shot picture” at the OB (where your line of aim is relative to the OB that you see while “aiming while standing“).
  2. The distant focus helps you deliver the cue more straight toward your target. This is the case in other sports like with free throws in basketball (with focus on the rim), bowling (with focus on the arrows down the lane), baseball pitching (with focus on the target over the plate), horseshoes (with focus on the stake), and darts, archery, and shooting (with focus on the target), where you always want your final focused gaze to be at the distant target. This helps maintain straight aim and helps ensure straighter implement delivery in the target direction. Although, analogies with other sports are far from perfect (see more below).
  3. Focus on the OB helps ensure you keep your head and body still during and after the stroke, instead of looking up from CB focus to see where the CB is heading.
  4. With OB focus, you can better diagnose and learn from each shot since you can more clearly see the direction the CB heads and where it hits the OB, without needing to move your eyes or head during the shot.

Regardless, each person obviously needs to choose the eye pattern that is most effective for them an an individual.

Every time a thread like this comes up, I add to and improve the eye pattern "best practices" resource page. I hope I am able to add even more insight from this thread. Check out the page if you haven't visited it before (or in a while). It is much more complete than it used to be.
 
I think you make it into more than it is. It’s clear from your numerous posts and in your signature line that you are fully committed to looking at the cue ball last like other misguided players.

You also LOVE to point to Jason Shaw as he is one of the very few of a professional level that subscribe to this viewpoint. As others have posted in this thread, it’s clear the majority of elite players DON’T do this. Your rejoinder to that was the elite skilled will be elite irrelevant of this, then wouldn’t that apply to your constant example of Shaw?

Tor Lowry, a friend, and one of the most respected and in demand instructors in this sport as he’s constantly booked, believes and disseminates that actual cue placement on the cue ball should fall into the territory of the subconscious, things that you don’t think about once you reach a certain level of proficiency. As I also previously mentioned, numerous studies on “quiet eye” also indicate the greatest success is achieved by focusing on your target. But don’t let experts opinions dissuade you from your tenaciously held position, even if it’s wrong. Carry on
Where's McCready when we need him!!
 
I think you make it into more than it is. It’s clear from your numerous posts and in your signature line that you are fully committed to looking at the cue ball last like other misguided players.

You also LOVE to point to Jason Shaw as he is one of the very few of a professional level that subscribe to this viewpoint. As others have posted in this thread, it’s clear the majority of elite players DON’T do this. Your rejoinder to that was the elite skilled will be elite irrelevant of this, then wouldn’t that apply to your constant example of Shaw?

Tor Lowry, a friend, and one of the most respected and in demand instructors in this sport as he’s constantly booked, believes and disseminates that actual cue placement on the cue ball should fall into the territory of the subconscious, things that you don’t think about once you reach a certain level of proficiency. As I also previously mentioned, numerous studies on “quiet eye” also indicate the greatest success is achieved by focusing on your target. But don’t let experts opinions dissuade you from your tenaciously held position, even if it’s wrong. Carry on
I'm surprised you adhere to this so vehemently Frosty, when one of the best players we knew and dear friend of ours who's no longer with us, was a CB laster.
 
Quigley Down Under is a study in the prep and stance. The precision of the adherence to the dance.
Sometimes the dance is a waltz, others a Cha Cha. 🤷‍♂️
He said he could fight quote would substitute uh dance for fight. Peace out Dude 😉
Make love NOT War.
On the Fields of Friendly Strife. 🤷‍♂️
 
A stationary CB is exactly why I don’t drink alcohol until after I am done playing pool. 😆
In my best Big tournament performance, on day 2.. I had at my table a glass of water a cup of coffee and a beer.
The plan was water.....but a little calm or electric influence was available with a swallow. Just a swallow.
Cole confessed to the need to, "take the edge off." His alcohol ism did him in. RIP Cole.
Probably one swallow of beer prior to stepping to the table for the first shot.
First impressions are SO Important.
The rest of the beer was celebratory After the handshake. 🤷‍♂️
 
I played baseball and tennis and rode bikes aat a solid level at times and never focused on the cue ball while doing any of those.

I think you're on to something.
 
Well when a baseball hitter could hit from either side of the plate, Yogi Berra called them Amphibious. So Ronnie O'Sullivan shooting with either hand is Amphibious. His answer of, "it could be either " , when asked which ball last fits in his Amphibious persona. 🤷‍♂️ 😉
So Yogi Berra lived on land and water?? Did they practice billiards on land and water too??? 😂
Might want to look at your dictionary last, I think the word you are looking for is ambidextrous.
 
So Yogi Berra lived on land and water?? Did they practice billiards on land and water too??? 😂
Might want to look at your dictionary last, I think the word you are looking for is ambidextrous.
Well that was a knuckle ball. Yogi is definitely a GOAT at catcher. Yogi Iszms is a whole catagory.....Google it 😉
Another favorite is, "nobody goes there any more. It's too crowded. 🤷‍♂️
Not a knuckle ball not a sinker, 🤔 perhaps a submarine ball. There is definitely a submarine pitch., definitely, as Rainman would say. 😉
 
When traveling....Amphibious was my method as an on the road player. I never went on the road to play pool. I did however earn gas money on occasion.
I guess the definition of Hustle and Hustler are critical. Pete Rose was known as Charlie Hustle.
Fast Eddie Felson was The Hustler on the tables.
 
Hopefully one last 😉
The fact that I never played football until a junior in high school. The fact that I was not a natural was obvious when I attempted skateboarding. Both solidify the Demonstraion of what's possible with the proper training And guidance.
I had the coaching but also put in the practice long before it was required.
The long snap to the punter was a difficult task. Made even more difficult after I thought I had it down. After significant practice I could snap the ball accurately to the upside down punter as I looked back between my legs. Thought I was Good to Go, then coach McHargue's inspection yielded a failing grade. 🤷‍♂️ The coaching was, you can't look back as you snap it as the middle guard could attack as soon as the ball moves. My neck would be very vulnerable to a powerful strike. Could be paralyzed. So my head needed to be up and ready to launch into a bull to bull head butt.
Had to learn to snap it 15 yards to the punters hands....by feel. 🤷‍♂️ It took a while to learn. 🤷‍♂️
 
The degree of focus on where I am striking the white......stays with the cueball. At the colision with the 5 ball (My 5th shot in the morning workout [in the afternoon] 😉). I saw the 5 ball slide for at least 5 inches before it took a natural roll....into the pocket. Watching the tip/cueball interaction first is crucial to learning. 🤷‍♂️ Keeping the focus on the moving ball is pretty simple compared to ping pong or baseball. 🤷‍♂️
 
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