Take all of the weight out of your break cue

I quit using a break cue. I only get it out if I need to jump over the edge of a ball now.
I break well enough with my playing cue and I like not dragging 2 or 3 cues around.
I'll grab the breaker (for long jumps) or jumper from my case only if I need them.
 
sudocrushms said:
KE = (mv^2)/2

Cue speed is more important than weight. That's why MLB players don't swing 35oz bats anymore.

Control is another thing entirely, but if you're looking for maximum cue ball velocity you want the intersection of where the cue weight crosses your maximum hand speed.
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Bryce Harper just used a 35 oz bat to hit for the cycle, then he used it the next game to fall a triple short of the cycle.
 
Flakeandrun said:
I didn't like it (or the thought of it) light either. After a year or so hitting with my PBkai/Ignite shaft, and regularly telling people who suggested to remove it that "I don't mess with cues, I work on my action"

It wasn't that I hit them poorly. WPA/MR 9ball, 8ball, 10ball. All solid. I am actually thinking at this point that playing with the weight in was a useful muscle memory training. I was able to hit the 26/27mph mark previously with weight in, and I will measure max speed later out of interest (as I rarely break full tilt in any format).

My friend took it out while I went to get a coffee yesterday as a joke. I came back and was blasting racks of WPA 9ball. made 6balls on the break twice. Was also nice nostalgic feeling for me, reminded me of when me and my friends would turn each others trucks the opposite way round when leaving skateboards unattended at my local skate store growing up haha
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In physical theory it seems like that the cue speed is the more dominant factor than the cue weight, this means for example 10 % more cue speed is accelerating the white ball more than 10 % more cue weight. That's theory.

I think the anatomy of players are even more dominant than cue speed or cue weight. It would be to me much more practically relevant that the playing cue and the break cue should have the same weight (and perhaps also the same balance point), because this is the dominant issue if it goes about muscle memory. The final question is: Until which level of action + power given by the player into the cue stick can a controlled stroke result!

Going into this question, it will result into the answer that the muscle memory is the most important and limiting factor. Knowing that we perform much more strokes with our playing cue than with the break cue, the muscle memory is calabrated mainly during the playing strokes, not by the break trokes.

For these arguments my conclusion is: Weight of playing cue and break cue should be identical.
 
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riedmich said:
In physical theory it semms like that the cue speed is the more dominant factor than the cue weight, this means for example 10 % more cue speed is accelerating the white ball more than 10 % more cue weight. That's theory.

I think the anatomy of players are even more dominant than cue speed or cue weight. It would be to me much more practically relevant that the playing cue and the break cue should have the same weight (and perhaps also the same balance point), because this is the dominant issue if it goes about muscle memory. The final question is: Until which level of action + power given by the player into the cue stick can a controlled stroke result!

Going into this question, it will result into the answer that the muscle memory is the most important and limiting factor. Knowing that we perform much more strokes with our playing cue than with the break cue, the muscle memory is calabrated mainly during the playing strokes, not by the break trokes.

For these arguments my conclusion is: Weight of playing cue and break cue should be identical.
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I disagree
You usually don’t grip the playing cue and the break cue the same, so balance and weight should not be the same. Any good instructor will teach you to grip the break cue more forward.
The body mechanics are also different, you should drop the elbow on a break shot but not during normal play, not to mention those who move the whole body during the break.

In my opinion, the break cue should have a bit forward balance point.
As for weight, it should be as light as possible while not losing control.
 
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skor said:
I disagree
You usually don’t grip the playing cue and the break cue the same, so balance and weight should not be the same. Any good instructor will teach you to grip the break cue more forward.
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Grip the break cue more forward? I never heard that. That would tend to shorten your stroke...like telling a baseball player to hold the bat more in front of him.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
Grip the break cue more forward? I never heard that. That would tend to shorten your stroke...like telling a baseball player to hold the bat more in front of him.
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There is always a first 😊
Gripping forward will allow you to move the cue faster = bigger break
Gripping it at the back is a waste of energy.
Dropping the elbow with good timing will generate a great follow through.
Try it 😊
 
My body moves forward during my break stroke. (If I'm breaking hard) If I don't move my grip hand forward it's too far back when it contacts the cue ball.
 
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