What, in your opinion, is the minimum Fargo you should have before entering a WNT Open?

I think mid 600s .. actually Bergman lost to a mid 600 player in this last tournament.

I’m on the fence about this. It’s really cool that an average guy can go play in a pro tournament in pool. One of the only sports you can pay an entry fee and play with the pro’s in a major event.. on the other hand I would like the sport to get to the point they don’t need amateurs to donate to fill the bracket and they can start setting some standards and make you earn your way on tour like snooker and golf etc
 
Bob Jewett said:
Except there is no extra dead money. The total prize fund is announced well in advance. If the field does not fill, Emily pays the difference -- she is delighted by the dead money that shows up at the end.
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Yeah my friend who is mid 600 Fargo and has played in plenty of predator and matchroom events because he has a high 6 figure job and can lol got invited by matchroom to come to London and play in the uk open. He knew why he was being invited. He looks like a pro. He carry’s him self and acts like a pro and won’t embarrass them or himself in the tournament.. in fact with the right draw he will usually win a couple and lose a couple. He knows he’s dead money lol but pool is his only financial bad habit and he’s willing to spend it. Both times he went and played in the uk open he and his wife had a great time in London.
 
I don't really have a clear opinion about whether low-rated players should play in opens or not, depends on so many factors. But as for what Fargo rate can realistically beat a Fargo 800 player in a race-to-9, 9-ball match, I'd say something like:

500 = 1/100,000 (Practically never going to happen.)
550 = 1/5,000 (Extremely rare.)
600 = 1/500 (Very rare, but starts feeling realistic if the 600 plays his A+ game, the 800 is off his game and the rolls+breaks favor A heavily.)
650 = 1/100 (Rare but possible, 650 are already very capable players and on a given day they might play closer to 700 speed. Still requires heavy rolls from the 650 and weak play from the 800.)
700 = 1/20 (Still a big upset but no longer miraculous at all. These happen from time to time, as 700s are very capable players. This is the first case where extreme luck isn't required from the lower rated player to win a race-to-9, all it takes is an on-day from the 700 to play like a 740 and an off day from the 800 to play like a 760 and its almost even.)
750 = 1/5 (No longer a big upset, even if the odds favor the 800 these sort of results happen all the time. It's comparable to e.g. Joshua Filler losing to a 810 Fargo (860 vs. 810).

Given these subjective estimations, i'd say 700 is the first one that has a real fighting chance without the win feeling like a miracle. 650 can still win on heavy luck + overperforming their rating but these will happen maybe 0-1 times on average in a large tournament, so the odds of a 650 going deep in the tournament is still practically zero.

As for what rating starts having realistic (rare, but possible) odds of making it to say top 16 or top 8 in a WNT major, maybe somewhere inbetween 750-780. And for the rating for actually winning one, definitely 780+ at least.
 
JABSolstice said:
I would not think a 400 would be disrespectful for entering for the experience.
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The experience of watching your opponent play? Not “disrespectful”, but only slightly better than watching from the spectator seats.

On the other hand… I played Mika a 9-ball race to 5 once. I didn’t have a chance (maybe Fargo 600?), but getting in the ring with Mika, even just for “fun”, inspired me to break and run 4 1/2 racks. Which inspired Mika to run 4 1/2 and out, putting me in my starstruck place 🫤.

pj <- really a tie, right?
chgo
 
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Oikawa said:
I don't really have a clear opinion about whether low-rated players should play in opens or not, depends on so many factors. But as for what Fargo rate can realistically beat a Fargo 800 player in a race-to-9, 9-ball match, I'd say something like:

500 = 1/100,000 (Practically never going to happen.)
550 = 1/5,000 (Extremely rare.)
600 = 1/500 (Very rare, but starts feeling realistic if the 600 plays his A+ game, the 800 is off his game and the rolls+breaks favor A heavily.)
650 = 1/100 (Rare but possible, 650 are already very capable players and on a given day they might play closer to 700 speed. Still requires heavy rolls from the 650 and weak play from the 800.)
700 = 1/20 (Still a big upset but no longer miraculous at all. These happen from time to time, as 700s are very capable players. This is the first case where extreme luck isn't required from the lower rated player to win a race-to-9, all it takes is an on-day from the 700 to play like a 740 and an off day from the 800 to play like a 760 and its almost even.)
750 = 1/5 (No longer a big upset, even if the odds favor the 800 these sort of results happen all the time. It's comparable to e.g. Joshua Filler losing to a 810 Fargo (860 vs. 810).

Given these subjective estimations, i'd say 700 is the first one that has a real fighting chance without the win feeling like a miracle. 650 can still win on heavy luck + overperforming their rating but these will happen maybe 0-1 times on average in a large tournament, so the odds of a 650 going deep in the tournament is still practically zero.

As for what rating starts having realistic (rare, but possible) odds of making it to say top 16 or top 8 in a WNT major, maybe somewhere inbetween 750-780. And for the rating for actually winning one, definitely 780+ at least.
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I can agree with a lot of your odds. I'm at 698 and play a 787 10-ball races to 8 pretty regularly. I win about 1/4 on average. I've had my 3-0 days against him, but also some 0-4 days. I'd only adjust your numbers starting around the 650/700 range.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Until demand exceeds supply, I see no issue with bangers entering, as long as they are respectful of the game.

If we get to a situation in pool with Shane where it costs 100k USD to play a round of golf with Tiger Woods, then that will be a good problem to have.
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See, what I think would be awesome would be a pro-am style event a day or two before the major tournaments similar to what they do for professional golf. 16 amateur spots matched up at random with 16 of the WNT professionals, $1,500 entry fee ($750 off the top to a pro and $750 for Pro-Am prize pool). Single elimination, race to 7, games live streamed/published to YouTube, commentary for semi finals & final.

Now THAT is an experience I would pay for
 
Oikawa said:
I don't really have a clear opinion about whether low-rated players should play in opens or not, depends on so many factors. But as for what Fargo rate can realistically beat a Fargo 800 player in a race-to-9, 9-ball match, I'd say something like:

500 = 1/100,000 (Practically never going to happen.)
550 = 1/5,000 (Extremely rare.)
600 = 1/500 (Very rare, but starts feeling realistic if the 600 plays his A+ game, the 800 is off his game and the rolls+breaks favor A heavily.)
650 = 1/100 (Rare but possible, 650 are already very capable players and on a given day they might play closer to 700 speed. Still requires heavy rolls from the 650 and weak play from the 800.)
700 = 1/20 (Still a big upset but no longer miraculous at all. These happen from time to time, as 700s are very capable players. This is the first case where extreme luck isn't required from the lower rated player to win a race-to-9, all it takes is an on-day from the 700 to play like a 740 and an off day from the 800 to play like a 760 and its almost even.)
750 = 1/5 (No longer a big upset, even if the odds favor the 800 these sort of results happen all the time. It's comparable to e.g. Joshua Filler losing to a 810 Fargo (860 vs. 810).

Given these subjective estimations, i'd say 700 is the first one that has a real fighting chance without the win feeling like a miracle. 650 can still win on heavy luck + overperforming their rating but these will happen maybe 0-1 times on average in a large tournament, so the odds of a 650 going deep in the tournament is still practically zero.

As for what rating starts having realistic (rare, but possible) odds of making it to say top 16 or top 8 in a WNT major, maybe somewhere inbetween 750-780. And for the rating for actually winning one, definitely 780+ at least.
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I don't think there is a legit 650 on the planet that's beating Justin Bergman or Jesus Atencio in a race to 8/9 in an arena on Matchroom equipment in a competitive event. You're not putting packages together in that environment, forget it.
 
This is YOUR life, YOUR story. You should enter a WNT event when you want to enter one. Right now, it appears registration is still open for the US Open. I think everyone should support pool and play as much as possible. Don't wait. Don't deny yourself the chance to have this experience until you're worthy. Just do it.
 
It you have the time and resources, of course you should, regardless of Fargo.

If you could play 1 on 1 basketball for a couple of hours with LeBron James for around $500, would you? How about playing some baseball with Babe Ruth? Golf with Jack Nicklaus? That would be ludicrous, you will never get time with those athletes. But you _can_ play 1 on 1 with some of the best pool players to ever live right now.
 
In an individual sport nothing would satisfy me more than to earn my way into a field through hard work and determination. The ability to just pony up the $$$ & be allowed to enter not so much. Imho this type of action should not be allowed at the highest level of competition.
 
just bring a comfortable cushion to sit on as that is what you will be doing during your matches.
 
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