WNT facing angle??

[Jaden]

Does anyone know what Matchroom uses on their tables for the facing angle on the WNT tables? I understand they're 4" pockets. I should;ve taken some measurements at Yuma but I didn't think about it.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Does anyone know what Matchroom uses on their tables for the facing angle on the WNT tables? I understand they're 4" pockets. I should;ve taken some measurements at Yuma but I didn't think about it.

Could be measured from a top-down photo…

pj
chgo

 

[iusedtoberich]

Diamond or a Diamond rep would be the only one to know for sure. We have a 4 1/8" and 4 1/4" table from the factory at the local hall.

 

[iusedtoberich]

Could be measured from a top-down photo…

pj
chgo

Not with any accuracy, especially from a picture not taken for that sole purpose. Already discussed in the past. Pictures can make angles do weird things.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Not with any accuracy, especially from a picture not taken for that sole purpose. Already discussed in the past. Pictures can make angles do weird things.

Yes, the pic would need to be taken just about perfectly vertically and directly over the pocket’s mouth to be very accurate. But a “good enough” angle might produce a “good enough” measurement…?

pj
chgo

 

[Jaden]

Yeah I should've just measured it, it looked more severe than typical. I'm thinking 142-144 degrees

 

[skor]

I think that every table brand is a bit different, both the angle and the shelf depth.
Side pockets also vary between brands.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Yeah I should've just measured it, it looked more severe than typical. I'm thinking 142-144 degrees

I think I recall that 143° (8° more than parallel) is "spec".

pj
chgo

 

[garczar]

Yeah I should've just measured it, it looked more severe than typical. I'm thinking 142-144 degrees

4" & 144deg would be plenty snug.

 

[Jaden]

4" & 144deg would be plenty snug.

They were pretty snug....especially the sides. Playable but snug.

 

[garczar]

They were pretty snug....especially the sides. Playable but snug.

4.5" sides are pretty tight.

 

[tim913]

This is what AI says;

Matchroom’s World Nineball Tour (WNT) uses heavily strict tournament specifications with tight corner pocket mouths cut down to roughly 4 inches (and 4.5-inch side pockets). To accommodate these ultra-tight openings without causing excessive ball rattling, the horizontal cushion facing cut angles are typically adjusted flatter/straighter (closer to 136°–138°) compared to standard recreational 142° angles, paired with a deep shelf. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Matchroom WNT Pocket Specs

• • Corner Pocket Width: ~4.0 inches
  • Side Pocket Width: ~4.5 inches
  • Facing Cut Angles: Flatter angles (near ~136° to 138°) to direct true hits cleanly while heavily penalizing off-center shots. [1, 2, 3]

 

[garczar]

This is what AI says;

Matchroom’s World Nineball Tour (WNT) uses heavily strict tournament specifications with tight corner pocket mouths cut down to roughly 4 inches (and 4.5-inch side pockets). To accommodate these ultra-tight openings without causing excessive ball rattling, the horizontal cushion facing cut angles are typically adjusted flatter/straighter (closer to 136°–138°) compared to standard recreational 142° angles, paired with a deep shelf. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Matchroom WNT Pocket Specs

• • Corner Pocket Width: ~4.0 inches
  • Side Pocket Width: ~4.5 inches
  • Facing Cut Angles: Flatter angles (near ~136° to 138°) to direct true hits cleanly while heavily penalizing off-center shots. [1, 2, 3]

You think all that is correct? I seriously doubt those faces are 136-138. I put little stock in AI fact searching. BTW, WPA specs are 142deg. No way those pockets are that far off.

 

[Jaden]

This is what AI says;

Matchroom’s World Nineball Tour (WNT) uses heavily strict tournament specifications with tight corner pocket mouths cut down to roughly 4 inches (and 4.5-inch side pockets). To accommodate these ultra-tight openings without causing excessive ball rattling, the horizontal cushion facing cut angles are typically adjusted flatter/straighter (closer to 136°–138°) compared to standard recreational 142° angles, paired with a deep shelf. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Matchroom WNT Pocket Specs

• • Corner Pocket Width: ~4.0 inches
  • Side Pocket Width: ~4.5 inches
  • Facing Cut Angles: Flatter angles (near ~136° to 138°) to direct true hits cleanly while heavily penalizing off-center shots. [1, 2, 3]

I promise you that the diamond blue labels at the arizona open were not straighter. I went the AI route and I got 3 different answers. Plus AI is using the rasson table specs

 

[garczar]

I promise you that the diamond blue labels at the arizona open were not straighter. I went the AI route and I got 3 different answers

People using AI to find table 'facts' is getting waaaaaay past old.

 

[muskyed]

You can't measure pocket angle looking down from the top. Angle is correctly measured off the tip/point of the cushion.
If you neasure the top edge you will be a degree or degree and a half off

 

[tim913]

You think all that is correct? I seriously doubt those faces are 136-138. I put little stock in AI fact searching. BTW, WPA specs are 142deg. No way those pockets are that far off.

Never said it was correct, said it was what AI said.

 

[garczar]

You can't measure pocket angle looking down from the top. Angle is correctly measured off the tip/point of the cushion.
If you neasure the top edge you will be a degree or degree and a half off

Technically you could but the camera placement/focus/scale would have to be perfect.

 

[garczar]

Never said it was correct, said it was what AI said.

then why post it? AI is so full of errors its a joke.

 

[tim913]

People using AI to find table 'facts' is getting waaaaaay past old.

I think people who are always playing the “Get off my lawn” act are waayyyy older!