Intentional Fouls - Illegal, Good Strategy, or Poor Sportsmanship?

[HawaiianEye]

Scenario:

You are playing last-pocket 8-ball and your opponent has made all of his balls and shot the 8-ball without making it, but left it very close to his last pocket.

You come to the table and do whatever you can do and find yourself in a situation where if you screw up, you will leave him a good shot on the 8-ball and lose the game.

Some of your balls are kind of clustered in one part of the table and you decide to intentionally shoot his 8-ball so that it is now behind your cluster preventing him from having a makeable shot on the 8-ball into his pocket even though he has ball in hand.

Is this legal, good strategy, or poor sportsmanship?

 

[penguin]

Every person I've gambled with at last pocket 8-ball considers this a loss of game to intentionally foul by shooting the 8.

 

[HawaiianEye]

Every person I've gambled with at last pocket 8-ball considers this a loss of game to intentionally foul by shooting the 8.

You are playing 9-ball and find yourself in a situation where if you make a mistake, you will leave an easy runout.

The lowest ball on the table is the 5, but you are hooked, so you intentionally foul by nudging the 6-ball behind the 7-ball into a position that forces him to have to play a safe because he now can't run the table.

Is that considered a foul or loss of game?

I know how we played these situations in gambling games years ago, but I am trying to see how people do things now.

 

[HawaiianEye]

We are playing last pocket 8-ball and your last ball is in the jaws of a pocket and the 8-ball is right beside it.

If I make your last ball into that pocket, does that pocket become your last pocket or is your last pocket the pocket that YOU made YOUR last shot into?

 

[HawaiianEye]

In one-pocket, people intentionally scratch, intentionally jump balls off the table, intentionally foul, and shoot balls into their opponent's pocket in order to change the odds and strategic layouts of the game.

Should all pool games incorporate those strategies?

We are changing everything else: break rules, jump cues, faster cloth, bouncier rails, smaller pockets, deeper pocket shelves, types of racks, and now some people are wanting to make rules on what type chalk you can use.

 

[middleofnowhere]

One thing I really don't like is stalling to run out the clock. That's been applied to pool now.

 

[HawaiianEye]

One thing I really don't like is stalling to run out the clock. That's been applied to pool now.

Is it in the rules that you can't do that?

If it is legal in the rules, it may be strategically to your advantage to stall.

 

[dquarasr]

Is it in the rules that you can't do that?

If it is legal in the rules, it may be strategically to your advantage to stall.

I assume you are referring to Ultimate. It uses a 30-second shot clock. It is perfectly acceptable to use every second of your 30 seconds plus your one extension to run out the 30-minute match clock if you are in the lead or tied and the points favor your team.

 

[HawaiianEye]

I assume you are referring to Ultimate. It uses a 30-second shot clock. It is perfectly acceptable to use every second of your 30 seconds plus your one extension to run out the 30-minute match clock if you are in the lead or tied and the points favor your team.

I would expect everyone to strategically utilize the rules to their advantage.

 

[HawaiianEye]

Every person I've gambled with at last pocket 8-ball considers this a loss of game to intentionally foul by shooting the 8.

Is it an intentional foul to shoot one of your balls prior to the 8-ball?

 

[GideonF]

It sounds to me like this a last pocket 8b specific question. In any other game I can think of, an intentional foul with a normal stroke on the CB is an accepted strategy.

 

[HawaiianEye]

It sounds to me like this a last pocket 8b specific question. In any other game I can think of, an intentional foul with a normal stroke on the CB is an accepted strategy.

Do you play it is a foul or loss of game?

 

[GideonF]

Do you play it is a foul or loss of game?

I haven’t played last pocket 8b much so the issue hasn’t come up. I’m just answering the more general question on intentional fouls but acknowledging that this seems like a unique game in this regard.

 

[straightline]

I think intentionals in 1 hole merit BIH.
Minus 5 might be interesting just to see how players deal with it. IOW them geniuses now gotta play run out players at 35, 40 to 3.

 

[maha]

if its legal do it. if not dont, or use the penalty to your advantage.

just dont do anything out of the ordinary gambling in a bar unless its with a pool room player if you like your teeth.

 

[iusedtoberich]

I don't understand the scenarios you gave. Are you striking one (any) object ball directly with your cue stick, bypassing the CB entirely? If so, that's unsportsmanlike conduct and def loss of game, for any game.

 

[HawaiianEye]

I don't understand the scenarios you gave. Are you striking one (any) object ball directly with your cue stick, bypassing the CB entirely? If so, that's unsportsmanlike conduct and def loss of game, for any game.

In every scenario I posted, I am using the cue ball to hit the object ball with a regular legal stroke...no tricky stuff.

 

[maha]

We are playing last pocket 8-ball and your last ball is in the jaws of a pocket and the 8-ball is right beside it.

If I make your last ball into that pocket, does that pocket become your last pocket or is your last pocket the pocket that YOU made YOUR last shot into?

the pocket that either player has "his last ball left on the table" before the 8 goes in, has to make the 8 in that pocket.

so if you could combo his last ball into a side pocket that would be his pocket to make the 8 in and of course most times would end up being loss of game for him.
and when playing ball in hand you could shoot his last ball in one of the sides if the 8 couldnt easily be made in one even with ball in hand.

 

[HawaiianEye]

the pocket that either player has "his last ball left on the table" before the 8 goes in, has to make the 8 in that pocket.

so if you could combo his last ball into a side pocket that would be his pocket to make the 8 in and of course most times would end up being loss of game for him.
and when playing ball in hand you could shoot his last ball in one of the sides if the 8 couldnt easily be made in one even with ball in hand.

That is the way I played it.

 

[Lowell]

Intentional fouls are 100% fair game to me in any pool game with ball in hand rules