Coring Shafts

[Bavafongoul]

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I just ordered a Meucci Kielwood shaft. I contacted them after reading thru this thread and they answered "No, we do not put foam in the tip end of our Kielwood shafts." I also asked the weight and was told they are all around 4oz. Very nice to be able to custom order thru the website and they offer a discount for Veterans.

I found that 29.5” and 30” shafts are often required by some brands to produce a 4 ozs.and heavier Kielwood shafts.

Custom cue makers do a better job at selecting heavier blanks and can build 29” KW just as heavy. It always comes
down to the individual building the shaft & the available wood inventory. There isn’t any good reason to settle for less
or having to order a 13mm shaft instead of a thinner 12.5mm shaft that is always going to be lighter because of mass.

 

[Gilbertfan81]

Cory Barhart, Jim Pierce, SCDiver2112, Jacoby Cues, Schmelke Cues and others if you look.
I won’t name the cue makers that told me what I wanted could not be built without coring.

They were all talking out of their ass because it took awhile, but I ultimately located builders
that had no difficulty building a heavier uncored KW shaft and no weight had to be added.

Now go buy whatever you want and hopefully are delighted with the outcome. I am merely
forewarning readers that there’s cue builders that are either lazy, ignorant or just untruthful.

I can’t know how you feel about this but when someone tells me something cannot be done
& then I find someone that builds what I want, I question the other person’s cue building skills.

Jacoby cores their keilwood shafts with balsa wood. 100 percent sure about this. I called and asked during the ordering process of a custom keilwood for my Mottey. The purpose is to reduce weight and front end mass. Their ferrules also have small drillings through them to reduce weight. This reduces front and mass, therefore reducing squirt that’s the main purpose of.keilwood shafts. Along with more power like carbon.

 

[Bavafongoul]

Jacoby cores their keilwood shafts with balsa wood. 100 percent sure about this. I called and asked during the ordering process of a custom keilwood for my Mottey. The purpose is to reduce weight and front end mass. Their ferrules also have small drillings through them to reduce weight. This reduces front and mass, therefore reducing squirt that’s the main purpose of.keilwood shafts. Along with more power like carbon.

Jacoby Cues can build a KW shaft that is not cored and w/o any weight added that is heavy.

They actually built a KW shaft with my specs (4 ozs) but when it was ready to ship, the specs were miscommunicated to me by someone in sales I had never dealt with.

So I declined the shaft and ordered what I wanted from a different cue maker who was capable of building what I wanted.

Later on Alec in sales contacted me and when I told him what happened, he went right to Tony whom I had discussed what I wanted. He built the shaft twice to get my specs but he did it.

I know it can be done and now I chuckle thinking about the other cue makers that told me what I wanted couldn’t be built, How pitiful that seems since there are 4 KW shafts in my case proving they are wrong.

I happen to be at the pool room writing this post. I am playing with a 12.85 mm , flat faced. radial pin 4.0 KW shaft and I have 3 more KW shafts I included in the photo. Tony at Jacoby Cues is a talented cue maker and very congenial to talk with.

 

[Gilbertfan81]

Jacoby Cues can build a KW shaft that is not cored and w/o any weight added that is heavy.

They actually built a KW shaft with my specs (4 ozs) but when it was ready to ship, the specs were miscommunicated to me by someone in sales I had never dealt with.

So I declined the shaft and ordered what I wanted from a different cue maker who was capable of building what I wanted.

Later on Alec in sales contacted me and when I told him what happened, he went right to Tony whom I had discussed what I wanted. He built the shaft twice to get my specs but he did it.

I know it can be done and now I chuckle thinking about the other cue makers that told me what I wanted couldn’t be built, How pitiful that seems since there are 4 KW shafts in my case proving they are wrong.

I happen to be at the pool room writing this post. I am playing with a 12.85 mm , flat faced. radial pin 4.0 KW shaft and I have 3 more KW shafts I included in the photo. Tony at Jacoby Cues is a talented cue maker and very congenial to talk with.

Thanks man. I will reach out to him specifically. BTW beautiful Scruggs. Those flat faced are like finding hen’s teeth. Bet it plays amazing.

 

[Bavafongoul]

A little better view of my TS cue……I feel fortunate to have gotten it. It was built for another Azer’s wife.
She didn’t care for how it turned out or whatever the reason was so he put it up for sale back in 2005.

I jumped on it as soon as I spotted it on eBay. In hindsight, it was a steal of a deal for what I can get now.
I could never sell this cue. It plays so amazing and looks so classy without being overdone in its design.

From what I understand, Tim didn’t make many radial pin flat faced joints and 3/8x10 seems to be more
popular. All my other flat ivory joint cues are 3/8x10 and 3/8x11. I had a Mottey cue but traded it away.

 

[skor]

A little better view of my TS cue……I feel fortunate to have gotten it. It was built for another Azer’s wife.
She didn’t care for how it turned out or whatever the reason was so he put it up for sale back in 2005.

I jumped on it as soon as I spotted it on eBay. In hindsight, it was a steal of a deal for what I can get now.
I could never sell this cue. It plays so amazing and looks so classy without being overdone in its design.

From what I understand, Tim didn’t make many radial pin flat faced joints and 3/8x10 seems to be more
popular. All my other flat ivory joint cues are 3/8x10 and 3/8x11. I had a Mottey cue but traded it away.

Did Tim build any cues with radial?
If I remember correctly (and I could be wrong), by the time that radial pins were introduced, most TS cues were built by Mike Cochran

 

[Bavafongoul]

Yeah he did….but I can’t tell you who hands were on this cue back in 2004. I didn’t order it but the seller told me he was communicating directly with Tim from initial order to the cue’s completion. Mike was so highly talented that it is akin to comparing Danny Tibbits and Joel Hercek……..I’d be thrilled to own a cue by either cue maker. It is impossible to know at this point in time but the question I have to ask you is this. Does it really matter at this point and who’d really care?

 

[skor]

but the question I have to ask you is this. Does it really matter at this point and who’d really care?

I was only responding to your remark that seemed important to you to state that Tim didn't make many radial flat faced joint. So the question to follow if he made any is valid just as well.

Does it matter if a SW cue was made by Jerry or by later builder?
Does it matter if a Schon was made by Runde or Clarke or whoever is there now?
I can go on.
The answer is YES, it matters!

 

[Bavafongoul]

My point is both Tim and Mike are deceased. This cue was built in 2004 I suppose since I bought it from the orig,
owner in early 2005. Without any disrespect to Mike’s cue building skills because I earlier acknowledged Mike was
highly talented. Mike only started working for Tim Scruggs in 2004 and their relationship extended another 26 years.

However, despite how great as Mike became, I finding it rather improbable Tim would have entrusted building any portion of a rather expensive custom cue to a new employee with no prior cue building or wood working experience when he started with Tim Scruggs in ‘04. Mike didn’t have the skills at that time to undertake building a cue like this. I’m confident it was Tim.

 

[Bavafongoul]

My point is both Tim and Mike are deceased. This cue was built in 2004 I suppose since I bought it from the orig,
owner in early 2005. Without any disrespect to Mike’s cue building skills because I earlier acknowledged Mike was
highly talented. Mike only started working for Tim Scruggs in 2004 and their relationship extended another 26 years.

However, despite how great as Mike became, I finding it rather improbable Tim would have entrusted building any portion of a rather expensive custom cue to a new employee with no prior cue building or wood working experience when he started with Tim Scruggs in ‘04. Mike didn’t have the skills at that time to undertake building a cue like this. I’m confident it was Tim.

p.s. I never heard any Schon referred to as a Clarke Schon or a Evan Schon but it’s always been a Runde Schon.
Otherwise it’s just a Schon cue. Same is true of Pete Sr. & Pete Jr. & always true of Jerry and Southwest cues.

If the authenticity of a cue is questioned, even whimsically, you look for evidence that indicates it is or it isn’t.
A buyer decides how much any cue is worth, never the seller. He just knows how much he hopes to get for it.

When you cannot disprove it with evidence versus supposition or mere curiosity whilst deductively speaking,
the sequence of the chronology from order inception to completion otherwise indicates Tim built it, then he did.

 

[Cue Alchemist]

Jerry Rauenzahn told me about Prather. Supposed to be the “original” of Torrified shafts.

I brought one of there straight grain blanks, plays very nice and solid. Mine has a 1 inch ferrule.I wasn't interested in low deflection. Still plays stiffer than standard maple.
Weighed 4oz.

 

[muskyed]

A little better view of my TS cue……I feel fortunate to have gotten it. It was built for another Azer’s wife.
She didn’t care for how it turned out or whatever the reason was so he put it up for sale back in 2005.

I jumped on it as soon as I spotted it on eBay. In hindsight, it was a steal of a deal for what I can get now.
I could never sell this cue. It plays so amazing and looks so classy without being overdone in its design.

From what I understand, Tim didn’t make many radial pin flat faced joints and 3/8x10 seems to be more
popular. All my other flat ivory joint cues are 3/8x10 and 3/8x11. I had a Mottey cue but traded it away.

Beautiful cue !

 

[skor]

My point is both Tim and Mike are deceased. This cue was built in 2004 I suppose since I bought it from the orig,
owner in early 2005. Without any disrespect to Mike’s cue building skills because I earlier acknowledged Mike was
highly talented. Mike only started working for Tim Scruggs in 2004 and their relationship extended another 26 years.

However, despite how great as Mike became, I finding it rather improbable Tim would have entrusted building any portion of a rather expensive custom cue to a new employee with no prior cue building or wood working experience when he started with Tim Scruggs in ‘04. Mike didn’t have the skills at that time to undertake building a cue like this. I’m confident it was Tim.

According to the 3rd edition of the Blue Book of Pool Cues that came out in 2005, Mike has been working with Tim for over 20 years. So I don't think that you are right about the year Mike started working for Tim.
I have some email corresponding with Mike regarding my 1990 TS cue and he was very knowledgeable about that cue, so I would believe, Mike has been around Tim shop for many years before 2004.

Anyways, I think it is interesting to know if Mike brought the Radial pin to some of the cues, or maybe these were made with Radial upon custom requests, as most of TS cues as I know are with SS 5/16x14 joint.

PS, nowadays, people are referring to Clarke's Schon as Clarke's or Evan's Schon as it seemed that the construction quality of Schon cues these days is not the same anymore. Evan kept the core construction of Runde and even made it better over the years.

 

[Bavafongoul]

Any photos of Mike’s best work?

 

[Bavafongoul]

Anyone know how many cues TS or Mike made?

 

[skor]

Any photos of Mike’s best work?

Thread 'Super nice Mike Cochran Custom Cue for sale.'

Nov 26, 2009

Up for sale is a super nice Mike Cochran Custom cue. Brand new 2009 un-chalked condition. SOLD pending payment.







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Specs on the cue:

Mike Cochran Custom Cue.
New 2009.
Un-chalked condition.
58" cue.
Custom steel joint 5/16-14 piloted.
All inlays are Ivory.
4 point Cocobolo with veneers (Black, Violet, Pink, Natural).
Shafts 13.00 mm with Ivory ferrules and Kamui Black tips.
Weight 18.95 oz..

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Thread 'The great ---mike cochran---'

Sep 8, 2011

I just saw a beautiful MC cue for sale which got me thinking I should show off one of the last MC cues Mike completed.

So for your viewing pleasure.

ERIC

PS The MC and the diamonds are gold.

Oh dam I for got to put Mikes name in caps.

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• Forum: Cue & Case Gallery

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