Keilwood shaft order

Gilbertfan81 said:
I’m wanting to order a keilwood shaft. I’m kind of frustrated at this point. I’ve reached out to several makers of custom shafts, with extremely mixed results I spoke to one semi custom cue company to get a quote. That was a week ago. The lady asked me to send her pictures and I did. She said I’ll have you a quote by the end of the day ,well seven days later I’m still texting for a quote and mind you this is a company that is supposed to have excellent customer service. I spoke to another that told me a week which seemed extremely short. Here is what I’m looking for. I want more of a long pro taper, not really interested in one of the dark, dark roast shafts. Really like the idea of coring the end of the shaft with lighter wood such as balsa and a shorter ferrule. I understand it will not be super low deflection, but that’s not necessarily what I’m looking for. Solid and consistent is the name of my game. I’m looking for recommendations with a solid turnaround time, great reputation, and honestly an excellent playing shaft. looking for one that hits solid but not stupid stiff post some recommendations and personal experiences with makers thanks in advance.
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All the customization is why you arent being served as you expected.

You don't trust the makers' conclusions about what they should sell acceptable?
 
Gilbertfan81 said:
I’m wanting to order a keilwood shaft. I’m kind of frustrated at this point. I’ve reached out to several makers of custom shafts, with extremely mixed results I spoke to one semi custom cue company to get a quote. That was a week ago. The lady asked me to send her pictures and I did. She said I’ll have you a quote by the end of the day ,well seven days later I’m still texting for a quote and mind you this is a company that is supposed to have excellent customer service. I spoke to another that told me a week which seemed extremely short. Here is what I’m looking for. I want more of a long pro taper, not really interested in one of the dark, dark roast shafts. Really like the idea of coring the end of the shaft with lighter wood such as balsa and a shorter ferrule. I understand it will not be super low deflection, but that’s not necessarily what I’m looking for. Solid and consistent is the name of my game. I’m looking for recommendations with a solid turnaround time, great reputation, and honestly an excellent playing shaft. looking for one that hits solid but not stupid stiff post some recommendations and personal experiences with makers thanks in advance.
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Did you try calling Dominak to discuss with what seems to be your very similar options to how I order shafts like I recommended doing last week?

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Have ordered 2 lighter kielwood shafts, 12.5mm long pro taper, small ferrule, soft G2 tip, .850 joint diameter with 1/4" black basic joint ring. Each was $220 shipped and they play great.
 
skogstokig said:
is the hue of brown indicative of anything or is it just aesthetic?
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The hue indicates either higher temp and or longer torrefication process. The process typically heats the wood and removes moisture. Darker shafts are lighter and the tone of the hit will change.

All of my kielwood shafts play quite stiff. I am not certain if that is a function of the torrefication process or other factors that impact this feedback.
 
staticfire98 said:
The Douglas Moore option is interesting and I had an early dark roasted kielwood from Runde crack. I'd give a plug to Scott Gracio's carbon cored kielwood for price, delivery and performance. He matches rings and can deliver in less than a week and charges $350. I love the look and play of the Hayakawa but they're $500 and difficult to get custom tweaks. The Tsunami has a long lead time and is expensive. The carbon cored Gracio Kielwood plays as good as either of them.

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Cool, where can one order one of these Gracio shafts?
 
staticfire98 said:
The hue indicates either higher temp and or longer torrefication process. The process typically heats the wood and removes moisture breaks down hemicellulose.
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The moisture reduction is incidental to being baked. The shaft will subsequently absorb moisture from the air according to ambient conditions, just like any other maple shaft. The reduction in hemicellulose means the equilibrium moisture content of a torrefied shaft will be lower than that of a non-torrefied maple shaft in identical ambient conditions, but both shafts will absorb/release moisture with ambient conditions.
 
staticfire98 said:
The Douglas Moore option is interesting and I had an early dark roasted kielwood from Runde crack. I'd give a plug to Scott Gracio's carbon cored kielwood for price, delivery and performance. He matches rings and can deliver in less than a week and charges $350. I love the look and play of the Hayakawa but they're $500 and difficult to get custom tweaks. The Tsunami has a long lead time and is expensive. The carbon cored Gracio Kielwood plays as good as either of them.

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Does Scott Gracio have any contact info? I'm interested in getting a shaft but I can't find any website.
 
Black-Balled said:
All the customization is why you arent being served as you expected.

You don't trust the makers' conclusions about what they should sell acceptable?
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No sir not at all, but after playing 20 years I know what feels good to me and makes me feel comfortable. A long pro taper is more common than not. Pool players are all finicky, most top players change cue butts a lot but not shaft diameters and tapers. For example when Earl was sponsored by Cuetec he definitely didn’t play with ther shaft.
 
Gilbertfan81 said:
No sir not at all, but after playing 20 years I know what feels good to me and makes me feel comfortable. A long pro taper is more common than not. Pool players are all finicky, most top players change cue butts a lot but not shaft diameters and tapers. For example when Earl was sponsored by Cuetec he definitely didn’t play with ther shaft.
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You stated more specifics than taper.

Shafts that these guys have available for sale are items they have been working on for a while and you're asking for something that hasn't been prepared like those.
 
Frosty said:
Just another fad 🥱
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Do they or do they not have a unique hit to them? They absolutely have a crisper and stiffer hit than standard maple. While I think the inherent LD properties are overstated that's an indictment on the marketing of the product and not the product themselves. There is absolutely a corner on the market for them to exist.
 
dedstroke38 said:
Do they or do they not have a unique hit to them? They absolutely have a crisper and stiffer hit than standard maple. While I think the inherent LD properties are overstated that's an indictment on the marketing of the product and not the product themselves. There is absolutely a corner on the market for them to exist.
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Just ordered a back up kielwood from Joss. I sent Stephen one of my extra wood shafts to duplicate the diameter and length of taper. Hopefully he picks out a nice piece of wood.
I love the kielwood hit and stiffness.
Tried carbon fiber but couldn't get used to the feel of it. It felt alien.
 
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